Ford Racing ProCal Tune

[lightNfast]

Getting it done Monday. I'll make sure to post times for you all.

Regarding the intake, I will say it's noticeably larger in person than stock. Seems like after the warranty is up, it may be worth keeping the intake and then doing a custom tune with whatever other mods you decide to do.

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[firedaniel]

I installed mine and didn't like the way the stock intake tube fit the new filter. I bought a airaid tube and modified it slightly and it worked great. I'm curious can you post pics of yours?

 

[shelbywannabe]

There is a reason they are paired... only way to know for sure is to ask FP or better, perform a dyno with before and after.

Without that, you are not doing anything but reading from people who don't know for sure (although may have great educated opinions).

I'm still waiting for more numbers or opinions on the tune... crickets in that area. No more 0-60 runs?

If you want an expert opinion on the stock airbox look up posts by Adam with Tune+
He gets the best dyno results with the stock airbox and the Airaid tube and recommends the stock airbox for guys running a stock turbo

 

[lightNfast]

Here's a comparison for you guys. It's slight but noticeable in person. Looking at other intakes, there is definitely better set-ups but with only 5,000 miles I'm trying to maintain my warranty.

 

[jtmat]

If you want an expert opinion on the stock airbox look up posts by Adam with Tune+
He gets the best dyno results with the stock airbox and the Airaid tube and recommends the stock airbox for guys running a stock turbo

With his tune and maybe the base tune (if he ran those numbers).

No one has put this FP mustang on the dyno yet to make comparisons.

I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying we don't know for sure yet. Sure you can make an educated guess... but it is a guess all the same.

I will say you are probably are right to make the assumption.

 

[marjen]

Ordered mine yesterday. Was on the fence but what the hell. My warranty is already up but I feel safer with this than 3rd party tune. Only other current engine mod is the CP-e intercooler. I am thinking of getting an MBRP street exhaust too but have yet to pull the trigger.

 

[BoostedCanadianPoney]

Ordered mine yesterday. Was on the fence but what the hell. My warranty is already up but I feel safer with this than 3rd party tune. Only other current engine mod is the CP-e intercooler. I am thinking of getting an MBRP street exhaust too but have yet to pull the trigger.

off the shelf tunes including the FP are not necessarly safer. A pro tuner can tune according to the gas quality, weather conditions in your area etc... which can be much safer than running an OTS tune ... I don't see any reason to go with the FP tune if your warranty is up.

 

[shelbywannabe]

off the shelf tunes including the FP are not necessarly safer. A pro tuner can tune according to the gas quality, weather conditions in your area etc... which can be much safer than running an OTS tune ... I don't see any reason to go with the FP tune if your warranty is up.

I totally agree
It's not like Ford will back you in any way. The warranty is up so go custom

 

[NothernVAMustang]

I'm selling my ford racing intake if any one wants to buy it. 290 shipped i only had it installed for about a week

 

[jtmat]

Ordered mine yesterday. Was on the fence but what the hell. My warranty is already up but I feel safer with this than 3rd party tune. Only other current engine mod is the CP-e intercooler. I am thinking of getting an MBRP street exhaust too but have yet to pull the trigger.

That makes sense... I have a tune by one of the leading tuners on here and more than likely will get the FP tune as well. I only have 15k miles left on my warranty. Sure I'll shoot through that next year.

I don't plan on any more mods though. If you don't want to mod more, this might be a good option. If you want to mod, you should go 3rd party so they can tune the car in....

I'm looking at the FP tune for the automatic calibrations... and because it seems to be close to my tuner hp and t.

One of the FP guys said they can create a better tune since they can make changes others can't. True or marketing? Does it matter? Dunno...

 

[shelbywannabe]

That's absolute bs. They are selling a one size fits all tune. Some people think if it's a dealer item it has to be better. With no warranty a custom tune is by far the way to go.

 

[jtmat]

That's absolute bs. They are selling a one size fits all tune. Some people think if it's a dealer item it has to be better. With no warranty a custom tune is by far the way to go.

Which part is BS? Please explain instead of jumping off into some immature rant. :lol:

I will say, when I received my "custom" tune, it was basically a "one size fits all" tune. Even when I had my mufflers added, nothing changed. Most tunes are one size unless you start adding a lot of parts.

If you go to a local tuner and put your car on a dyno, you definitely will receive better service. But you pay for that.

 

[speedfrk]

I have no doubt that FP has access to more info and tuning parameters than an independent guy. For a DD, it is a case diminishing returns vs bleeding edge. I'll take a FP tune that gives me 95% of what a custom tune will because I know they have spent more time on the dyno and tested with fully instrumented cars in all weather/driving conditions and it meets their durability standards, EPA standards, etc. But, if you are going to mod the hell out of it and race it, you definitely need custom tuning since the FP tune is done for a pretty narrow hardware configuration.

 

[TheLion]

That's why I chose Livernois (FP wasn't available at the time). They work with Ford as an OE tester (yes, they also have access to the same information as FP), they also have collaborated with FP on several R&D projects. Livnois will flat out tell you there is proprietary information regarding the architecture of the PCM software and why you should not touch certain parameters as it would require updates to several key tables (such as temperature or altitude compensation tables for example) which are generate through quite extensive testing. If you never encounter those environmental conditions you won't likely have an issue as those portions of the table will not be called up in the PCM, but some of these tunes have caused engine failures...there was just a thread on one (while it was user error technically for not switching to the "winter" tune, it is my personal opinion as an industrial engineer that switching tunes for the weather is not acceptable for a street car. For a dedicated race car or week end toy sure, you can push the limits for bragging rights as you have another vehicle to fall back on, but a street car that's your primary should be reliable in all weather).

It all depends on what you want. Bragging rights or a reliable daily driver / street car? My car is a DD and reliability comes first. That's why even with livernois immaculate track record of not failing a customer car to date (they have a 20 year history), I still added a bunch of cooling upgrades and am running their 91 tune while using 93 during the winter, basically having an octane buffer for my travels or if I get sub-par fuel. It's just another step of added protection, the peace of mind is worth the loss of 2% or 7whp and 8whq, which I can't even tell in the butt dyno anyway, especially after the worry when I cracked that plug insulator. Until I was able to get home and prove my suspicion of a cracked insulator, I still had concerns over it being more serious.

Even out of warranty, the FP tune is still a good and safe choice. However, if your out of warranty you might want to consider Livernois as a step up, they offer the same quality, but can provide a little more power due to not having to meet CARB requirements for all 50 states, plus they allow you upgrade the down pipe (they will adjust the software accordingliny), which you can't do with the FP tune.

 

[TheLion]

I have no doubt that FP has access to more info and tuning parameters than an independent guy. For a DD, it is a case diminishing returns vs bleeding edge. I'll take a FP tune that gives me 95% of what a custom tune will because I know they have spent more time on the dyno and tested with fully instrumented cars in all weather/driving conditions and it meets their durability standards, EPA standards, etc. But, if you are going to mod the hell out of it and race it, you definitely need custom tuning since the FP tune is done for a pretty narrow hardware configuration.

That's the key, instrumented testing. Livernois tried to make that point a while back but got thread trashed for it. The PCM only sends out OBDII data ever 200~300 mS...but the PCM actually refreshes it's sensor data every 8mS, not only that but the OBDII data is not always the same value as what the PCM is actually using. The PCM will use more accurate methods of calculation while it will use less accurate, but more expedient methods to report on the OBDII link.

Without an actual data logger (aka one that reads directly from the sensors like Livernois or FP would use), your working with suspect information. Sure, you can do some impressive tuning with that information from a performance standpoint, but we've seen reliability issues on multiple cars tuned using those methods.

Everything has its limits and the point of diminishing returns is a very critical one and I would second SpeedFrk's statement. Plus, there are other ways to go quicker down the 1/4 mile than just adding power. High end oils / fluids, proper cooling, gear reduction (which can make quite a difference and does not affect reliability at all), tires and driver skill. All of those things either do not decrease reliability or increase it while still aiding in a faster strip or track time, which was the whole point of my TST Optimization thread that's now 10 zillion pages long...

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