For the MT owners: how do you downshift?

[Charles147]

really only reason why people do it is to hear their exhaust lol

That's a big deal for many...

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[madweazl]

That's a big deal for many...

Couldnt care less about the noise, I just like keeping my foot on the loud pedal to get out of trouble if something unexpected happens.

 

[ecolulz]

replacing brake pads is alot cheaper than replacing something else from engine brake high rpm assistance.

Really? Like what? How much engine wear/damage do you really think is happening, compared to just accelerating onto an onramp? I'm guessing it's basically zero...

 

[Khyber]

Really? Like what? How much engine wear/damage do you really think is happening, compared to just accelerating onto an onramp? I'm guessing it's basically zero...

not just engine wear, but tranny wear. I've literally seen someone do it in front of me and boom goes the tranny. especially when some idiot doesn't know what he is doing and goes from 6th to 3rd or 2nd without blipping.. happens all the time. either way some where it's unnecessarily wear on just about everything. but if someone doesn't care about their stuff go for it. the roads aren't a race track...engine braking for a red light that you are going 45 mph for just seems pointless...that pedal in the middle is just mythical! let me engine brake to save my pads!! :doh:

not only that but all it does is decrease your mpg too by pushing it into low gear and slowing down at 5k lol... i mean man created brakes for a reason, use them.

 

[madweazl]

If you were closer to me I'd be happy to take you out on a drive where I'd drop from 6th to 3rd while exiting the highway without blipping the throttle (at 60+ mph). It makes absolutely no difference. You wont see me not slip the clutch as I let it out but blipping the throttle wont make a single bit of difference.

 

[Khyber]

of course because rpms aren't high enough to make a difference. doesn't mean other clowns can't mess up

either way like i said, do whatever anyone wants. I won't be double clutching, engine braking, and not blipping at high speeds. I don't blip at low speeds or low rpms though.

I'm a hardcore nascar online sim racer on iracing so I'm used to blipping 95% of the time since nascar hardly uses the clutch gotta blip to shift up and down, so it kinda goes over to my real life car at higher speeds(except obviously use the clutch). I don't do it at low speeds or taking turns at low speeds or low rpms though.

 

[MichaelKael]

Like I said, I downshift "smartly", to use some engine brake, and I kinda revmatch, but I dont go from 6th to 3rd and never ever did any damage to any tranny...
I'm from the French Alps and trust me, if you dont learn how to use your engine brake, you run out of brakes like half way going down (because of them over heating if you hit em all the time), and just run down the hill lol
And for double clutching, it's 2015, I mean even heavy trucks don't need that anymore, I think it just makes some people feel like their race drivers, but it's just pointless

 

[ecolulz]

not only that but all it does is decrease your mpg too by pushing it into low gear and slowing down at 5k lol... i mean man created brakes for a reason, use them.

I understand your point of view, but this is incorrect. Your car actually uses LESS fuel when engine braking due to DFCO (deceleration fuel cutoff). If you put the clutch in and brake, you have to burn enough fuel to keep the motor idling...if you're engine braking, the injectors shut off. Watch the AFRs in to verify....with engine braking, you'll see it max out at 20 and sit there.

Not that I'm advocating engine braking to save brake pads, or to save fuel.. It's silly in either case. I just didn't want false info spreading.

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[GT Pony]

Steve McQueen double clutched and blipped the throttle in Bullitt ... :first:

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[madweazl]

I grew up living a mile high in the mountains of southern CA. We learned to be careful with the brakes very quickly. Downshifting is an integral part of driving in the mountains. Always amazed me at how many people were only a couple miles into the mountain decent and had brakes just screaming. You could smell them a mile before you caught up to them. More than one vehicle had brakes on fire at the bottom of the mountain over the years. So glad I learned to drive in that environment.

 

[kz]

Like I said, I downshift "smartly", to use some engine brake, and I kinda revmatch, but I dont go from 6th to 3rd and never ever did any damage to any tranny...
I'm from the French Alps and trust me, if you dont learn how to use your engine brake, you run out of brakes like half way going down (because of them over heating if you hit em all the time), and just run down the hill lol
And for double clutching, it's 2015, I mean even heavy trucks don't need that anymore, I think it just makes some people feel like their race drivers, but it's just pointless

What do you mean by downshift smartly ? I drove MTs all my life and don't see a way to not rev match if you're downshifting with significant speed difference and not want car to buck - for example going into the turn.

 

[Khyber]

I understand your point of view, but this is incorrect. Your car actually uses LESS fuel when engine braking due to DFCO (deceleration fuel cutoff). If you put the clutch in and brake, you have to burn enough fuel to keep the motor idling...if you're engine braking, the injectors shut off. Watch the AFRs in to verify....with engine braking, you'll see it max out at 20 and sit there.

Not that I'm advocating engine braking to save brake pads, or to save fuel.. It's silly in either case. I just didn't want false info spreading.

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ok...

 

[MichaelKael]

What do you mean by downshift smartly ? I drove MTs all my life and don't see a way to not rev match if you're downshifting with significant speed difference and not want car to buck - for example going into the turn.

This is what I mean by downshifting smartly, pretty much revmatching but you always have a little "noise" the revs do when going down, when you use the needed amount of engine brake... So let's say I revmatch lol

 

[MichaelKael]

I grew up living a mile high in the mountains of southern CA. We learned to be careful with the brakes very quickly. Downshifting is an integral part of driving in the mountains. Always amazed me at how many people were only a couple miles into the mountain decent and had brakes just screaming. You could smell them a mile before you caught up to them. More than one vehicle had brakes on fire at the bottom of the mountain over the years. So glad I learned to drive in that environment.

THIS, exactly ! You just follow people down the mountain constantly seeing their brake lights on, then you get that "burnt brakes" smell lol And then the smoke lol
Using the engine brake is the right way to drive a manual, not pressing the clutch and then hit the brakes

 

[Khyber]

well mountain driving is obviously different than 45mph around town with no hills or mountains

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