Fishtail, noob problems

[6g4me]

Let me preface this by saying I am really new to power house vehicles, let alone RWD wheel drive. My previous car was a 109 hp glorified golf cart Nissan Versa fwd

So, owning the 2016 mustang, auto transmission, I've been tempted twice to go wide open throttle. Both times, I'm going in a straight line, not from stop, but from a rolling speed of maybe 15-30 mph, and I got up to 45 and 60 mph, respectively.

However in getting to these speeds, the engine revs to 7-7.5k (im guessing it's not changing gears). As soon as it hits this point, the back end swings out to the right.

I can understand how this works. My question is...is it normal? I'm guessing it's normal that if it revs that high it'll loose traction and fishtail. But is it normal
That that it should rev that high in general / not change gears (if that's what it's doing, being an automatic I don't know what gear it's in). And of corse as a follow up, how do I prevent this? How can I do a pull
Without having to worry about the end veering out? Do I have to shift using the paddles?

When in general would this car be prone to fishtail? Certain speeds, revs? Etc


Thanks! Again, I'm sure this seems amateur problems but I'm new to all this. Thanks!

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[paul123]

that's serious RPM. I have manual, so I cannot really comment on that, but if your motor is not broke-in, you probably want to avoid that much RPM.

I recently rented a Dodge Charger V6 / 8-speed auto, and stepping down on the gas, it would spin up the motor to near red line, shift gears (fast), then back to near red line, etc. That's pushing the engine way harder than I do with my manual.

You look through the different driving modes? I thought Normal mode was supposed to be "civilized".

 

[GT Pony]

With an automatic, if you just floor the gas pedal it will rev to redline and bang to the next gear, which could very well break the tires loose when going from 1st to 2nd, and maybe even a bit from 2nd to 3rd.

Just make sure you are on good dry pavement when playing around with pedal smashing.

 

[jasonstang]

Lol from a Versa to a GT, that is quite an upgrade especially for someone who's never owned RWD vehicles.

 

[Pnasty]

i slam it to the floor daily in my 16 gt from red lights. are you in a cold weather area?

 

[6g4me]

i slam it to the floor daily in my 16 gt from red lights. are you in a cold weather area?

Northeast, NY to be specific so it's not that cold yet

And about breaking in, yeah I kinda did it around 700 miles, so it wasn't fully broken in but I didn't expect it to rev that high ;/

 

[Metaflame]

I mean you make the car downshift pretty much. It is like if we were going 2nd gear doing 10 mph and we downshift and floor it, look at ur incline.

Obviously this is normal, I would not floor it in a brand new car like that to the point where this is happening.

Since you ask so much of the car and it cannot provide the power it needs at the gear it is, it goes nuts and downshift floors it.

I dont understand the question if it is normal or not, it is like having a manual and flooring it and doing a burnout and asking if it is normal.

Coming from a versa, to gt, I would not floor it before I learned how to drive it.

I have to say I had a 320d when I lived in Turkey and a A5 TDI both RWD I still take extra caution while driving my v6. The car's weight is its enemy in RWD while in FWD the weight is what guides you if it makes any sense.

 

[n8rfastback]

I would find a safe place to play and get used to the back end coming out and learn to control it. It's gonna oversteer when you Break the back end loose and that's incredibly dangerous combined with some speed. If you let off the pedal a tiny bit and let her shift around 6500 it won't snap into the next gear so harsh and break the tires loose. Stock tires suck, anything below 55 degrees outside and the tires are too cold to get any traction under hard acceleration.

 

[6g4me]

I would find a safe place to play and get used to the back end coming out and learn to control it. It's gonna oversteer when you Break the back end loose and that's incredibly dangerous combined with some speed. If you let off the pedal a tiny bit and let her shift around 6500 it won't snap into the next gear so harsh and break the tires loose. Stock tires suck, anything below 55 degrees outside and the tires are too cold to get any traction under hard acceleration.

Hm ok so continue to teach me as I ask questions...shifting into the next gears hard is what's breaking the tires loose? What's it mean to break them loose? Thanks

 

[GT Pony]

And about breaking in, yeah I kinda did it around 700 miles, so it wasn't fully broken in but I didn't expect it to rev that high ;/

How about this break-in procedure.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39806

 

[PonyGrrrl]

Hm ok so continue to teach me as I ask questions...shifting into the next gears hard is what's breaking the tires loose? What's it mean to break them loose? Thanks

Breaking the tires loose is when the rear swings around (aka Fishtail).

When driving a rwd car with a lot of hp and torque you need to take it easy on the throttle and respect the power. This is especially important when you are unfamiliar with the driving characteristics of rwd. In other words; STOP STOMPING ON THE THROTTLE! You're not driving a 190 hp Versa and you don't need much throttle to get moving in a hurry.


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[Cloak]

and get some better and wider tires!

 

[paul123]

... In other words; STOP STOMPING ON THE THROTTLE! You're not driving a x90 hp Versa and you don't need much throttle to get moving in a hurry.

corrected

:lol:

 

[PonyGrrrl]

corrected

:lol:

I see what you did there, LOL.


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[BmacIL]

Don't mash the throttle. It's not an on/off switch. Gradually ease into it.

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