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Got to test drive a GT w/ the performance pack today, not exactly as I'd have outfitted it, but close enough to give me a good idea of what's in store. Comparisons with cars we own, or have owned recently, as apples / oranges as they might be, are all I really have to go on.... so, random thoughts ahead:

-The Coyote is the star of this particular show, and as I'll explain below, the car has way more motor than chassis. Tons of grunt and steady pull pretty much everywhere. Throttle response was actually better than I expected.. crisp with no real delay...again, far better than our '11 GTI which has a very vague pedal response until you're about 1/3rd throttle.

-The brakes are absolutely phenomenal. The initial bite isn't quite as pronounced as the ones on the 135-M we owned a few years ago (which is a good thing), but once engaged, they're absurdly strong. As a recent other review said about them, they give you a great sense of confidence that you can push the car, and save your bacon if something goes wrong.

-Interior is really quite good. As a larger guy, I had zero issues, and didn't feel cramped in the slightest. Everything was right where I expected it.

-Sync 3 seems quite snappy. I didn't have time (or much concern) to play around with this much at all. This particular car had the full Shaker system, which sounded better than most factory stereo's I've been around.

-Clutch is a bit grabby, but easy to acclimate to.

-Shifter engagement is solid, but there was definitely a 'thunk' from 1st to 2nd that's been reported by plenty of other people. I didn't really mind this for whatever reason. It can be a bit easy to miss gears on downshift, for example going from 6th to 3rd when you actually wanted to hit 5th... again, a matter of seat time will solve this. The overall engagement is better than the 135 we had, though I can feel that there's room for improvement.

-The size of the car makes you feel like you're actually going way slower than you actually are, which isn't always a good thing :) Despite expecting to feel that the front end was enormous, it didn't feel that big to me, and I had no problem adjusting quickly to this aspect of the car. I actually felt that the car looks a lot bigger on the outside than it actually feels when you're driving it, if that makes any sense.

-Steering was a bit less crisp than I'd like, but gave a bit more feedback directly through the wheel than our GTI does (but not nearly as much as my Prelude, for example. Again, apples / oranges).

-The cooled seats are... well, I couldn't feel anything. Having sat in the Recaro's in another GT, I'm 100% sure I'd go with those anyhow, so it's a non-issue.

-Saving the worst for last was actually the overall chassis / suspension itself. For something called a performance pack, this is a very squishy ride, to the point that I almost initially felt that we had a flat, or at least underinflated tire. To be fair, I should point out that a) there were 3 people in the car, and b) I was driving at a good clip on some rather tricky backroads... off camber sections, choppy asphalt, decreasing radius corners, etc... if any road was going to expose a cars weakness, it'd probably be this one. A different road with a different passenger load might shine a whole new light on things, but I couldn't really enter corners with the confidence I'd expect to have. Consistently the car felt very unsettled on corner entries. Mid-corner and exiting were much better, almost as if once the suspension is loaded, things become a lot more predictable and the car behaves as you'd expect.

As a prospective owner of this car, I don't find that to be much of a deterrent, as I expected going in that the car's handling might be the weak link, and solving that is likely to be fairly straightforward.

-The car is incredibly docile and smooth at speed on highways. I wasn't sure if I expected anything else in this department, but it does quite well in this regard.

Overall, I really enjoyed driving it. I wasn't *quite* as blown away by it as I thought I was going to be, but it's still the car I'll end up ordering in Q1 of 2016. It just needs some sorting. I can't wait. :clap2:
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Aaand these are the types of reviews I love. Thanks for your well thought out input.
 

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Excellent review..

-Saving the worst for last was actually the overall chassis / suspension itself. For something called a performance pack, this is a very squishy ride, to the point that I almost initially felt that we had a flat, or at least underinflated tire.
Totally agree with this...I don't know why Ford underdamps these cars. These cars run very similar times to my E92 M3 yet when I drove the Mustang GT PP I felt my E92 M3 was much more buttoned down.

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Good feedback and review. Remember, it's a performance package and not a track package:D
 

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I've bombed my PP up the very curvy mountain passes around here. I could tell it squished into a very sharp curve but I was pushing the car to the performance edge. I went right through it and kept gunning up the mountain into the next curve. Maybe it isn't perfect but don't fool yourself, this thing carves corners with confidence.
 

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Excellent review..



Totally agree with this...I don't know why Ford underdamps these cars. These cars run very similar times to my E92 M3 yet when I drove the Mustang GT PP I felt my E92 M3 was much more buttoned down.

Dave
I was very disappointed with the lazy ride as well. Springs helped but it needs considerably more compression and rebound damping.
 

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I was very disappointed with the lazy ride as well. Springs helped but it needs considerably more compression and rebound damping.
What were you expecting at the price point? Just curious considering I've read alot of post like this recently.
 

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I expected it to be like my '12 PP equipped GT.
Never drove a '12 track pack so that doesn't help me. Would you mind pointing out the glaring differences in your opinion? Far more interested in your response than the last asshat on another forum who expected c7 Z prowess at sub 40k.
 

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Never drove a '12 track pack so that doesn't help me. Would you mind pointing out the glaring differences in your opinion? Far more interested in your response than the last asshat on another forum who expected c7 Z prowess at sub 40k.
The front end really floats, especially on rebound. Compression isnt quite as bad. The '12 was pretty good with just springs and they helped on the '15 but obviously dont address the damping issue. For reference, I had Eibach Pro kits on both vehicles. The vehicles I had prior to this were an '05 Evo MR that had an excellent ride (the Bilstiens made all the difference between the RS and MR models) and an '06 GTO. The GTO was actually pretty nice for daily driving. Not as soft as the '15 PP but still forgiving.

I dont track the vehicle so I have no desire for an uncomfortable ride but the way it is now makes it feel more like luxury vehicle than sport. I cant imagine what the base GT is like. Hopefully there are some nice shock/struts available soon.
 

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thanks I'm thinking of adding the pro kit or sportlines currently.
 
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The front end really floats, especially on rebound. Compression isnt quite as bad. The '12 was pretty good with just springs and they helped on the '15 but obviously dont address the damping issue. For reference, I had Eibach Pro kits on both vehicles. The vehicles I had prior to this were an '05 Evo MR that had an excellent ride (the Bilstiens made all the difference between the RS and MR models) and an '06 GTO. The GTO was actually pretty nice for daily driving. Not as soft as the '15 PP but still forgiving.

I dont track the vehicle so I have no desire for an uncomfortable ride but the way it is now makes it feel more like luxury vehicle than sport. I cant imagine what the base GT is like. Hopefully there are some nice shock/struts available soon.
Yours is the first review I have read, including Randy Probst in M/T, who has thought the 12 handled even remotely as well as the 15, and you like the 12 BETTER? Not sure what you are feeling. Even the base GT is reasonably buttoned down, though it needs more (non-A/S) tire to really race through the mountains. Consensus seems to be that the PP is a little "bouncy" and it's better with Steeda progressive springs. I haven't driven those so can't say, but a lot of guys seem to agree.

I do think you are right to wish for a good set of struts/shocks; that's what it seems to need most. Not undersprung, but compliant and a little (not much) underdamped. And by far better than any Mustangs I'd owned before.
 

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my full track suspension 12 doesn't handle anywhere as well as my stock 15
 

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I've only done one track day in my GT so far, and I didn't exactly go 10/10ths most of the time, but the car honestly still felt pretty good to me. I can see some of the complaints about the softness of the ride, but I personally think the car is an excellent compromise between ride quality and performance.
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