Feedback on Edelbrock tune?

[ShelbyGT350]

Maybe an improvement over previous releases, sound alike a talented guy. But in general, essentially everyone struggles because aftermarket tools. You can get one cal to work but take 3-4 tries on the next as aftermarket tools give you access to roughly 5-10% of the actual cal data. Meaning here are always items you can't see that change. Doesn't matter how talented you are, unless you have oem tools, the proper resources and the ability. There are so many versions of cals, you can't test them all so there is always an unknown, which requires cals to be modified routinely. Even Lund and PBD, by far the most successful of the custom tunes require multiple versions. just the life many deal with in he aftermarket.

The issue with a Whipple, as Shelby American has found, is that with that much HP, they require you to upgrade the half-shafts, put in a single-piece driveshaft, and upgrade the hubs with longer studs (more $$$$). Now you know where us moderate lead-foot drivers are coming from. Some of us are not all about brute horsepower, but drivability, longevity, and not breaking the car. If folks want a Whipple, fine, but don't bad-mouth the competition. They should know what they are getting into - tell them the WHOLE story with Whipple.

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[TooSoonJunior]

The issue with a Whipple, as Shelby American has found, is that with that much HP, they require you to upgrade the half-shafts, put in a single-piece driveshaft, and upgrade the hubs with longer studs (more $$$$). Now you know where us moderate lead-foot drivers are coming from. Some of us are not all about brute horsepower, but drivability, longevity, and not breaking the car. If folks want a Whipple, fine, but don't bad-mouth the competition. They should know what they are getting into - tell them the WHOLE story with Whipple.

I would take a whipple kit with a larger pulley (lower boost, lower power) installed and their tune versus an Edelbrock making the same power with their tune.

Hands down Whipple has THE BEST and SMARTEST/SAFEST tune to accompany their kit. Tuners have made even more power than the standard Whipple calibration, but it isn't as "smart" nor arguably as safe.

You seem to think you are forced to run the Whipple at the higher horsepower it is setup to run. You do not.

 

[FIVE_LITER]

The issue with a Whipple, as Shelby American has found, is that with that much HP, they require you to upgrade the half-shafts, put in a single-piece driveshaft, and upgrade the hubs with longer studs (more $$$$). Now you know where us moderate lead-foot drivers are coming from. Some of us are not all about brute horsepower, but drivability, longevity, and not breaking the car. If folks want a Whipple, fine, but don't bad-mouth the competition. They should know what they are getting into - tell them the WHOLE story with Whipple.

I have none of that stuff on my car. It is not required.

 

[SVT-DADDY]

I would take a whipple kit with a larger pulley (lower boost, lower power) installed and their tune versus an Edelbrock making the same power with their tune.

Hands down Whipple has THE BEST and SMARTEST/SAFEST tune to accompany their kit. Tuners have made even more power than the standard Whipple calibration, but it isn't as "smart" nor arguably as safe.

You seem to think you are forced to run the Whipple at the higher horsepower it is setup to run. You do not.

I am going to see if I can bum a ride in your car before I make this decision.

:cheers:

 

[Whipple SC]

The issue with a Whipple, as Shelby American has found, is that with that much HP, they require you to upgrade the half-shafts, put in a single-piece driveshaft, and upgrade the hubs with longer studs (more $$$$). Now you know where us moderate lead-foot drivers are coming from. Some of us are not all about brute horsepower, but drivability, longevity, and not breaking the car. If folks want a Whipple, fine, but don't bad-mouth the competition. They should know what they are getting into - tell them the WHOLE story with Whipple.

Man you never stop do you?

You realize we supply Flight Control software right? You can vary your power per gear or total. Don't even need a different pulley. What power do you want? Just toggle the power as you see fit. Who else has that ability? That's standard. You can also opt for a larger pulley, less boost. Or stage 1 with stock TB.

I love when people think there is a safe level, as if its an exact number. 700hp is safe, but 701.... There is safer than the next, but whenever you are upping the power of a stock application, there is always a risk. You can break these parts stock, there is no "exact" power level that will make something fail. Its all about the circumstances and situation.

Having less power is more conservative, but its also how efficient the method of achieving that power. But the fact is, we give you that all in the kit. So you get it ALL, you don't need to buy a bunch of other parts later. You want less power, put it at 5% reduction in power. Want less, take away 10%. Maybe you just want less in 1st and 2nd, then just adjust those.

And as for Shelby, they are selling and warrantying an 800+HP car that is track ready. It's part of the package. You know who came out with the first half shafts? Ford Racing. They came out with 627HP and then upped to 670. Again, you can break half shafts stock if you drag the car and get traction, or spin and then get traction. Its all about the application and circumstances. I've got 12k on my own car, the one we beat the snout out of doing WOT durability testing, stock half shafts.... Only recently, we put in aftermarket ones as I plan to take to the track with slicks.

 

[mustang_guy]

Man you never stop do you?

You realize we supply Flight Control software right? You can vary your power per gear or total. Don't even need a different pulley. What power do you want? Just toggle the power as you see fit. Who else has that ability? That's standard. You can also opt for a larger pulley, less boost. Or stage 1 with stock TB.

I love when people think there is a safe level, as if its an exact number. 700hp is safe, but 701.... There is safer than the next, but whenever you are upping the power of a stock application, there is always a risk. You can break these parts stock, there is no "exact" power level that will make something fail. Its all about the circumstances and situation.

Having less power is more conservative, but its also how efficient the method of achieving that power. But the fact is, we give you that all in the kit. So you get it ALL, you don't need to buy a bunch of other parts later. You want less power, put it at 5% reduction in power. Want less, take away 10%. Maybe you just want less in 1st and 2nd, then just adjust those.

And as for Shelby, they are selling and warrantying an 800+HP car that is track ready. It's part of the package. You know who came out with the first half shafts? Ford Racing. They came out with 627HP and then upped to 670. Again, you can break half shafts stock if you drag the car and get traction, or spin and then get traction. Its all about the application and circumstances. I've got 12k on my own car, the one we beat the snout out of doing WOT durability testing, stock half shafts.... Only recently, we put in aftermarket ones as I plan to take to the track with slicks.

Sometimes for people they enjoy their ignorance. You can lead horses to water but cannot make them drink. It's unfortunate and frustrating. :lol::cheers:

 

[bryontro]

Noted on the flight control software. Also, noted on the fact that the new Shelby F150 i nust looked at had a Whipple.

I personally have a friend (family actually) that has broken a half shaft on a stock 6sp man car at the track.

Its about circumstances, situation, and I'll add operator as well. We are talking about 60% increase in power. Surely people dont expect things to just wear the same. No matter which SC you mount up. Thats just not realistic.

 

[ShelbyGT350]

Man you never stop do you?

You realize we supply Flight Control software right? You can vary your power per gear or total. Don't even need a different pulley. What power do you want? Just toggle the power as you see fit. Who else has that ability? That's standard. You can also opt for a larger pulley, less boost. Or stage 1 with stock TB.

I love when people think there is a safe level, as if its an exact number. 700hp is safe, but 701.... There is safer than the next, but whenever you are upping the power of a stock application, there is always a risk. You can break these parts stock, there is no "exact" power level that will make something fail. Its all about the circumstances and situation.

Having less power is more conservative, but its also how efficient the method of achieving that power. But the fact is, we give you that all in the kit. So you get it ALL, you don't need to buy a bunch of other parts later. You want less power, put it at 5% reduction in power. Want less, take away 10%. Maybe you just want less in 1st and 2nd, then just adjust those.

And as for Shelby, they are selling and warrantying an 800+HP car that is track ready. It's part of the package. You know who came out with the first half shafts? Ford Racing. They came out with 627HP and then upped to 670. Again, you can break half shafts stock if you drag the car and get traction, or spin and then get traction. Its all about the application and circumstances. I've got 12k on my own car, the one we beat the snout out of doing WOT durability testing, stock half shafts.... Only recently, we put in aftermarket ones as I plan to take to the track with slicks.

Sir, yes the folks at Shelby package that stuff so that folks won't break the car and then expect Shelby to pick up the cost to fix it. What is it about Whipple that it just can't stop knocking the fact that some people may want to go a different way, or can't stop knocking the competition. For that very reason I'll never buy your product. I'm in professional sales and when i'm looking to buy something, the minute the salesman starts knocking another company's product, I go run the other way. About a year ago, I was putting solar panels on my house. The evaluation came down to 2 final companies. One company was non-union, the other a union shop. They were only $800 apart. I was leaning real hard to hiring the union shop (my dad was a union sheetmetal worker, so I have an affinity for the union guys). But the minute that union shop salesman started bad-mouthing the competitor I was looking at, I ran the other way and signed with the non-union firm. Glad I did. Job went perfect and the delivered what they promised. Mind you the union guy was not comparing his firm to his competitor, he was outright trashing the other firm, but I think you'll get the point. Besides, If I need to get it fixed, Torrance is just up the road from me. Fresno is 400 miles away. Sorry.

 

[Whipple SC]

Sir, yes the folks at Shelby package that stuff so that folks won't break the car and then expect Shelby to pick up the cost to fix it. What is it about Whipple that it just can't stop knocking the fact that some people may want to go a different way, or can't stop knocking the competition. For that very reason I'll never buy your product. I'm in professional sales and when i'm looking to buy something, the minute the salesman starts knocking another company's product, I go run the other way. About a year ago, I was putting solar panels on my house. The evaluation came down to 2 final companies. One company was non-union, the other a union shop. They were only $800 apart. I was leaning real hard to hiring the union shop (my dad was a union sheetmetal worker, so I have an affinity for the union guys). But the minute that union shop salesman started bad-mouthing the competitor I was looking at, I ran the other way and signed with the non-union firm. Glad I did. Job went perfect and the delivered what they promised. Mind you the union guy was not comparing his firm to his competitor, he was outright trashing the other firm, but I think you'll get the point. Besides, If I need to get it fixed, Torrance is just up the road from me. Fresno is 400 miles away. Sorry.

Last time you popped up, you didn't even have a Mustang! Everyone has the option to make the choice but the truth is the truth, that's not bashing. You have been gung ho Edelbrock and there has been zero backing it up. Nice design? Yes, Price to be competitive, no. Positive results from complete kit? No. Limitations in fuel system and air intake, yes? Good sc, yes.

The difference is, we will give real info and not one sided. Does it benefit us? Yup, but we also beat them in nearly every category if you research it. And according to your thought process, Edelbrock is the one that threw shade on us stating how much better their kit is, was all over their Sema booth. Of course it was a bunch of BS.

As for distance, we have nearly 350 installing dealers, pretty sure we can find one close to you that could handle any repairs if needed. Trust me I know you only will gonone way if you get a Mustang and decide to get an SC, but you never actually add any real info that helps anyone.

 

[bluestang50]

So was this a tell me about how great Whipples are thread or a thread about the canned Edelbrock calibration?

:threadjacked:

I would hope a Whipple representative would have a little more class than to badger a thread of someone seeking info about a competitors product...

 

[bryontro]

Anyone use the Edelbrock canned tune? I am seriously thinking of getting their stage 1 kit with the 2650 rotors , and upgrading with a second round of mods in the future.

I am sure it’s conservative, my concern is really drivability.

My other option to find a tuner kit, but I haven’t seen one that makes sense yet.


Thanks

Lets not forget this guy.

 

[TooSoonJunior]

I am going to see if I can bum a ride in your car before I make this decision.

:cheers:

Should be done this weekend! Just pulled the trigger on the Mantic clutch, need to decide if I do this now or wait till the stock clutch gives up to the ghost

 

[TooSoonJunior]

Most if not all the MT82 failures I have read about involved a SOLID HUB ceramic disc clutch.

Fixed for you

 

[SVT-DADDY]

Lets not forget this guy.

lol The discussion is actually useful, some of it at least. Doesn't seem to be too many people running he Edelbrock tune.

My buddy actually has the Eforce on his 2012. Problem is he bought the car used an knows nothing about it. It seems to make decent power, but it's an auto with seemingly very tall gears. I don't know if the tranny is wonky or if they were just that bad back then.

Should be done this weekend! Just pulled the trigger on the Mantic clutch, need to decide if I do this now or wait till the stock clutch gives up to the ghost

Awesome please let me know if you'll be at any events or stopping by Teds any time soon. I'd love to check out your set up, and maybe even get sign off from the wife.

 

[TooSoonJunior]

Awesome please let me know if you'll be at any events or stopping by Teds any time soon. I'd love to check out your set up, and maybe even get sign off from the wife.

I'm going to rent Ted's dyno in the next week or so and finalize my tuning. I will keep you posted. I have tuned and dyno'd all my cars there so I like to compare power outputs.

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