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[MaskedRacerX]

**take

Yes, I'm annoyingly pedantic.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/usage/bring-or-take

Well, grammatical pedantry on a casual message board is generally bad form.

That being said, since you opened up this can of worms: I'd say this is an arguable use case in favor of the original poster. The usage pattern for take/bring is context driven, based on implied direction of movement - while you might take "take the kids somewhere", in his case, the movement is towards him, movement towards inclusion, bring with / take to.

i.e.,

"I' can bring the kids with me since I have a backseat, and when I'm done shopping I'll take them to the park".

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[sqidd]

Well, grammatical pedantry on a casual message board is generally bad form.

That being said, since you opened up this can of worms: I'd say this is an arguable use case in favor of the original poster. The usage pattern for take/bring is context driven, based on implied direction of movement - while you might take "take the kids somewhere", in his case, the movement is towards him, movement towards inclusion, bring with / take to.

i.e.,

"I' can bring the kids with me since I have a backseat, and when I'm done shopping I'll take them to the park".

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[Ninjak]

I think Ford will make the 755 hp number, and high 600'ish tq. Simply because its a TVS blower. My 11 GT500 made 669 tq with the 13/14 blower. The rest is a toss up. I think high 10's is a decent number for the track, because if it's to low we already see from the Demon forums what happens when nobody can hit the number advertised. Price ? Well the numbers in the fake post are not bad, but who knows ? Also you already know mark-ups will be crazy for the first 2 years of the car at least.

 

[Dominator961]

I find it humorous that people are judging the 500’s torque by the DCT transmissions advertised torque rating.

If any of you that believe this had a brain, you’d also realize that the TR3160 Used in the GT350/R also is rated at 405 lb-tq and we all know the voodoo makes 429 lb-tq.
The tr3160 is rated for a max of 6614 pounds.

Sure the TR9070 is rated at 664 lb-tq but that doesn’t mean the 500 is limited to 664 lb-tq.
Do I think the predator will make more than 664 lb-tq? Probably not, but it’s possible.

 

[sqidd]

because if it's to low we already see from the Demon forums what happens when nobody can hit the number advertised.

What happens?

 

[biminiLX]

Anybody have any dyno info on a Gen2 Coyote on 12psi with a TVS2650?
These combos seem to make 700rwhp without an issue. Now if the Predator 5.2 will make 12psi as rumored and they run neutered 91 pump gas timing, I still see an easy 750fwhp at 7500rpm.
I’m still not overly concerned with factory numbers, as anyone with any performance plans will have a pulley and E85 tune with a safe 800rwhp within a month of owning it.
At least that’s my plans, non-Track Pack Car with mild bolt-ons built for street/highway fun and and occasional top speed 1/2 or full mile races.
I just hope it’s not too much over 4000#!
-J

 

[biminiLX]

What happens?

The interwebs cry foul.
Anyone with any drag racing sense knew that 9.65@140 number was damn near impossible to duplicate 100% stock.
I did think it was cool a group of Demon guys did a track rental in south Texas with the same track prep as SRT. Still the best was 9.71 on MTs
Nice to know absolute max potential but I prefer to under promise and over deliver
-J

 

[sqidd]

The interwebs cry foul.
Anyone with any drag racing sense knew that 9.65@140 number was damn near impossible to duplicate 100% stock.
I did think it was cool a group of Demon guys did a track rental in south Texas with the same track prep as SRT. Still the best was 9.71 on MTs
Nice to know absolute max potential but I prefer to under promise and over deliver
-J

I didn't realize the Demon wasn't stacking up to it's claims. Yeah, Dodge screwed that up a bit. They should have under promised. It's not like anything else is running 9's anyway.

 

[Tomster]

I'm going with 750hp and 660t
3.3 for 0-60
10.7 quarters
a hefty 4080 lbs for a track pack
78k lowest optioned base, to 92k for highest TP

4080? Jim.......

 

[V00D00]

I find it humorous that people are judging the 500’s torque by the DCT transmissions advertised torque rating.

If any of you that believe this had a brain, you’d also realize that the TR3160 Used in the GT350/R also is rated at 405 lb-tq and we all know the voodoo makes 429 lb-tq.
The tr3160 is rated for a max of 6614 pounds.

Sure the TR9070 is rated at 664 lb-tq but that doesn’t mean the 500 is limited to 664 lb-tq.
Do I think the predator will make more than 664 lb-tq? Probably not, but it’s possible.

Its 100% a legitimate concern. Ferrari 458 and E9x M3 use the same getrag DCT, both rated low, both break ( clutches at least) when pushed beyond the rated #
GTR's Dont get much more than rated #s either. yes, maybe clutches are the REAL ( at least 1st) issue, but in common usage, the DCT is the term and maximum capabilities before upgrading any parts

Anybody have any dyno info on a Gen2 Coyote on 12psi with a TVS2650?
These combos seem to make 700rwhp without an issue. Now if the Predator 5.2 will make 12psi as rumored and they run neutered 91 pump gas timing, I still see an easy 750fwhp at 7500rpm.
I’m still not overly concerned with factory numbers, as anyone with any performance plans will have a pulley and E85 tune with a safe 800rwhp within a month of owning it.
At least that’s my plans, non-Track Pack Car with mild bolt-ons built for street/highway fun and and occasional top speed 1/2 or full mile races.
I just hope it’s not too much over 4000#!
-J

most are making mid 6xx on 93 and 7xx on e85. so 4% larger motor, same fuel (93), same/better blower would be about 25HP. which is why it seems highly plausible that 650whp / 750CHP will be the #s

 

[sqidd]

Its 100% a legitimate concern. Ferrari 458 and E9x M3 use the same getrag DCT, both rated low, both break ( clutches at least) when pushed beyond the rated #
GTR's Dont get much more than rated #s either. yes, maybe clutches are the REAL ( at least 1st) issue, but in common usage, the DCT is the term and maximum capabilities before upgrading any parts

I don't think most people understand how fragile a DCT is compared to you standard T56 for example. Especially in the clutches/input shafts. You now have two of each stuffed in the same space you used to have one. That means everything is smaller and more delicate. I'm not saying they couldn't be made to work. You can solve anything with money. Maybe someone will come up with a bunch of beefy/space age materials input/clutch parts for the Tremec. I have to imagine you could copy the OEM stuff just using better materials and up the capabilities considerably.

 

[V00D00]

I don't think most people understand how fragile a DCT is compared to you standard T56 for example. Especially in the clutches/input shafts. You now have two of each stuffed in the same space you used to have one. That means everything is smaller and more delicate. I'm not saying they couldn't be made to work. You can solve anything with money. Maybe someone will come up with a bunch of beefy/space age materials input/clutch parts for the Tremec. I have to imagine you could copy the OEM stuff just using better materials and up the capabilities considerably.

Aftermarket WILL have a solution, im 100% sure of this. Dodson is THE name in GTR stuff, because the market is there for it, so a Mustang will as well ( lower cost of entry/larger crowd). Conversely, i broke the gears in my BMW DCT with dodson clutches, and it took 3 years to get the transmission back from them with upgraded gearsets, as there was no market/rush for it

We will see 1000hp GT500's within weeks, how long to get clutches and gears to handle it is what I am NOT willing to be another test group for

 

[sqidd]

We will see 1000hp GT500's within weeks, how long to get clutches and gears to handle?

My guess is 1-3 days after 1000hp.

 

[Hack]

The high HP guys might have to swap to a built automatic or manual transmission in order to hold the power. Of course, some people will just make the number once on a dyno and then never really use it.

If the rear tires spin it reduces the shock load on the drivetrain. So, just increasing the power doesn't necessarily mean that the transmission will get loaded more heavily. Only if the tires are big and sticky enough to hold the power - that's when parts will start breaking.

 

[65Terdlingua]

I find it humorous that people are judging the 500’s torque by the DCT transmissions advertised torque rating.

If any of you that believe this had a brain, you’d also realize that the TR3160 Used in the GT350/R also is rated at 405 lb-tq and we all know the voodoo makes 429 lb-tq.
The tr3160 is rated for a max of 6614 pounds.

Sure the TR9070 is rated at 664 lb-tq but that doesn’t mean the 500 is limited to 664 lb-tq.
Do I think the predator will make more than 664 lb-tq? Probably not, but it’s possible.

Those ratings are usually accompanied with an associated GVWR, usually something like 10,000 lbs. The 500 will be ~4000. This has been discussed many, many times.

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