EV's.......... 😂😂😂😂😂

[sk47]

Maryland family's SUV bursts into flames while they slept, video shows: 'We were terrified' (msn.com)

Hello; anecdotal I guess but none the les visually impressive.

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[ice445]

Maryland family's SUV bursts into flames while they slept, video shows: 'We were terrified' (msn.com)

Hello; anecdotal I guess but none the les visually impressive.

Lol, you do realize that's a Nissan Murano right? A 2015 I believe. Definitely not an electric.

It's nice evidence of the fact that vehicles of all types catch on fire all the time for all sorts of stupid reasons though lol
https://www.foxnews.com/us/maryland-familys-suv-bursts-flames-they-slept-video-shows-terrified

 

[sk47]

Lol, you do realize that's a Nissan Murano right? A 2015 I believe. Definitely not an electric.

It's nice evidence of the fact that vehicles of all types catch on fire all the time for all sorts of stupid reasons though lol
https://www.foxnews.com/us/maryland-familys-suv-bursts-flames-they-slept-video-shows-terrified

Hello; I believe you are correct after a re-read. I do not know all the electrified models. I did not state that it was an EV fire in my comment, but for some reason had that impression. Not sure why I had the impression. Perhaps the bit about an electrical fault in the ABS system. For sure I did not read close enough. I made a mistake.
Anyway, I generally try to post a link so others can double check for themselves. I did avoid a bigger blunder as I did not state it was an EV fire. But a blunder none the less on my part when looked at in the context of the thread. Thank you for pointing out my error and doing so without being rude nor crude.

 

[sk47]

Tesla owner discovers frustrating scene at hotel charging station: 'This looks like a new station' (msn.com)
Hello; I have been thinking about the EV chargers for some time. More about home chargers but some about public (away from home) chargers. I will get back to comments about the link but first will offer takes on public charging.
First take is how they appear to be in places without an attendant. I have only seen one charger in the wild myself so am going by pictures and stories with videos. The plan seems to stick the chargers here and there all on their own with no one to watch them. I confess to never having seen open for business gas pumps anywhere. Point being without supervision of a person the chargers are wide open to vandalism and other such issues.

Second take is from one of my first jobs as a teenager. I worked for a walk in movie theater. Had to clean the toilets. I also have been in a number of publicly used toilets. Folks do not treat such facilities well. Have you ever been to a public toilet which is not regularly cleaned? Public toilets get nasty in a hurry.
I get that gas & diesel have a fire risk and there may be laws requiring an attendant on duty. But having some one around likely makes sense regardless. My additional take is EV chargers at a traditional gas service station sort of setting must not make economic sense. I get why motels might add a few now days as a draw to get the few EV drivers in.

Back to the story. The author seems to want to blame those ICE drivers who took the spots for doing so as just being mean. Maybe so but maybe they just saw open parking spots and did not recognize the chargers. At the car dealership where I recently saw a charger, I had walked by it twice without catching on to what it was.

One thing not complained about in the story was stealing from the chargers. Saw a news flash recently where I think the cables had been stripped from a bank of isolated chargers.

 

[Vlad Soare]

Edit2: Tesla recycles all their old batteries so it is doable https://www.tesla.com/support/sustainability-recycling#:~:text=None of our scrapped lithium,and must always be followed.

Correction: Tesla claims that it recycles. Experience has taught us to always take Tesla's claims with a grain (actually, with a pound) of salt. They've been caught lying too many times.

Do you have any source on this?
im finding contrary evidence. https://www.tesla.com/support/sustainability-recycling

That's not evidence. That's marketing.

 

[Freedom]

Correction: Tesla claims that it recycles. Experience has taught us to always take Tesla's claims with a grain (actually, with a pound) of salt. They've been caught lying too many times.


That's not evidence. That's marketing.

Page 112
https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/2023-tesla-impact-report.pdf

It’s not marketing it’s facts for this.

 

[Vlad Soare]

That blurb was written by Tesla themselves. That's like the Chinese government publishing an extensive PDF that highlights their great achievements in the way of democracy. Such documents are only worth as much as their authors' credibility is.
Tesla claiming they do something does not make it fact.

 

[shogun32]

Tesla claiming they do something does not make it fact.

If recycling was viable we'd hear no end of it and he'd have multiple facilities up. And the Chinese would have ripped him off and built their own as well.

The only thing green in the entire EV industry is the color of money.

 

[sk47]

Hello; My county has trash drop off places in a few places. County residents can leave household trash. Most of the bins are for just that -trash/garbage.
One big container is for electronics. Another big container is for metal. These two are the more recent additions to the site.
There is a big bin with a roof for paper/magazine's.
There is a big holding tank for used oil.
A section for used paint
There are two bins, among the oldest on the sites, with hydraulic compression rams. One for cardboard.
One for plastic. Afraid that even now knowing of the plastic recycling farce I still make an effort to divide and throw old plastic into that bin. I know better than to believe the plastic will be recycled to any practical level but still play the game. I suspect that plastic gets mixed into regular trash somewhere along the way so have no illusions for some years now.
There is no hurry to get that compactor bin repaired and it from time to time overflows. A sign says to throw the plastic into the regular bins. I guess we have and continue to go along with the charade for emotional reasons.

My take is recycling will become common if/when such becomes economically a better choice than mining and refining raw materials. I get there are pilot programs and startup recycling centers at a small level. I suspect some of these are to qualify for a portion of the billions of dollars up for grab and many will fade away when/if that type of monies ever go away. They may recycle some batteries. They may accidentally discover a workable recycling process for the EV batteries. I do hope something positive happens more than a few pockets being stuffed with money, I guess for the same sort of reason i still throw plastic into the bin. I have some put aside for my next trip.

I live in zip 37724. Some one on here send me the location of an EV battery recycler site I can go tour.

 

[shogun32]

new Bloomberg Intelligence report titled "Taycan's 33% Value Drop Makes Even Tesla Owners Cringe," highlighting that the high-end luxury EV market is experiencing "significant declines in value as demand decreases."

The report, citing Experian data, found Porsche Taycan values in the first quarter sank 33% compared to the same period one year ago. This was an even more significant drop than the Tesla Model Y's 28%.

Sliding EV demand has also forced European auto battery manufacturer ACC, co-owned by Stellantis, Mercedes, and TotalEnergies, "to pause development of a site in Germany's Kaiserslautern," according to Bloomberg, citing local media outlet Rheinpfalz newspaper.

"Europe's drivers aren't ready in large numbers to exchange their old car for a new electric one," ACC's General Secretary Mathieu Hubert told Rheinpfalz.


ed. I'm shocked, SHOCKED that the all the socialist/commies in EU are not doing their part.

Do not worry, citizen. EV are in high demand and all is good. Please continue to believe the lies from official mouthpieces. And if you haven't bought an EV, then you are a bad person. You are guilty of genocide.

 

[shogun32]

Imagine that. No more half-a-million "investment" required to sell EVs.


The Blue Oval is ending its controversial EV dealership program less than two years after it was first announced, Ford Chief Operating Officer Marin Gjaja told reporters Thursday, according to CNBC.

Ford dealers will no longer be required to invest in certification to get EVs on their lot, opening battery-electric sales to Ford's entire dealership network — a move Gjaja said is designed to grow Ford's EV sales.
...
With wealthy early adopters largely sated, car companies are now trying to entice a new group of EV shoppers who are more frugal and practical.
...

https://www.autoblog.com/2024/06/13...e-dealers-to-invest-500-000-just-to-sell-evs/

 

[sk47]

car companies are now trying to entice a new group of EV shoppers who are more frugal and practical.

Hello; Several sad episodes in the EV saga so far. First being they, EV's, are fundamentally inferior to ICE in many documented ways which we have covered well.
Next, they are so very much expensive to buy even with the "other people's money" (taxpyer dollars) buying incentives. Of course, some in positions of influence/power are trying and in effect making ICE ownership much more expensive than is needed to help the EV agenda.
Next, we need to have a home charger in order to, for now, save on fuel costs. Charging at pay chargers winds up costing more than fueling and ICE for now. If alphabet agencies rules stay in place the cost of having an ICE will go further up to help make EV closer in comparison. Home chargers cost from a few hundred $$ up to well over ten thousand to install. Some folks cannot have a home charger at all.
Next to operate an EV has hidden costs. Tires will wear similar to a heavy pickup. Battery replacement if ever needed will be very expensive. Trade in on a well used EV will be minimal, possibly we will have to pay someone to take one away. States are enacting fees for EV's to make up for road tax lost. Eventually if all vehicles are EV's the fees will have to cover 100% of road tax.
Next it seems EV's are likely to be a total write off if damaged. So insurance costs can be higher. Similar for loaded up ICE I guess. That is fodder for a different rant about all the mandated stuff on newer cars and not related to this topic.

This list leaves out the environmental scam surrounding EV's. My mantra is they are exchanging one set of environmental issues with ICE for another set of issues, which may be worse with EV's.

A last irony is it appears China may have cracked the practical & affordable code of EV's. I do not know the details. Maybe on the backs of what is esssentially slave labor perhaps??? Maybe on having captured so much of the resource base??? Regardless, it seems tariffs will stop such affordable EV's from being available to the likes of me.

 

[sk47]

Research shows reintroduction of bison herd may have unexpected impact on air pollution: 'These creatures evolved for millions of years' (msn.com)

Hello; This link has an adjacent relationship to EV's in terms of carbon. Carbon as Co2 is currently labeled as an enemy to society which must be subdued. I will not get into that twist of reality this time.
There are some holes in the idealism presented in the thread. Some of my comments will be a repeat. First hole is the very short-term effect if indeed grazing bison do enhance plant growth. I do not challenge the contention that grazing herds might stimulate additional plant growth. What strikes me as false is how long that new plant growth will last. Let me back up a moment.

A tree can grow for centuries, some for millennia. Most at least for many decades. So, in the near-term growing trees can lock up carbon in their bodies for likely 100+ years or more. So, plant trees for near term carbon storage. Even so trees eventually die and over time decay. During decay the carbon passes thru decomposers and during respiration becomes Co2. So even trees give up that stored carbon eventually. Quicker if burned in a forest fire or fireplace.
Best long-term storage has been human buildings well cared for. Wood can last far into the future. Another way to preserve tree wood is to sink the trees into swamps, bogs and the like. I was raised in Middlesboro KY (NOTE- a town built in a meteor crater) The only creek draining the town was called Yellow Creek which runs north to feed into the Cumberland River near Pineville KY. For some reason back in the 1800's trees were used to line the bottom of Yellow Creek. Not too many years ago some of the old logs were dredged up still in decent shape.

Back to the holes. Grasslands will be constantly grazed so few trees will grow. The enhanced growth, if it happens, will pass thru the gut of a bison or few is my take. This sort of event should add an additional hole to the idea. That being digestion in many grazing results in methane gas (NOTE - the same sort that domesticated cattle are demonized about) I cannot swear that bison digest the same as cattle so may need to get a correction on that. But regardless the carbon in grasslands is not locked up for very long. At least in terms of the warming/climate crisis timetable. What I read is if we hit net zero (another idealized term in the narrative) the carbon already in the air will persist for decades. That warming is already baked into the models for some 50 years after net zero or some such.

I have been fascinated by the attitudes some have about Bison and wild grazers being ok to have around but cattle need to be done away with. That such fits a popular narrative might be reason enough for the true believers but one must ignore pesky facts. There is a different reason some do not want us to eat meat, but that can be for another day.

Enough for now.

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