Engine Debate

[JonnyMustang]

I don't see the sense in beating up my car just to show off for others either, so there's another feature I wouldn't ever use (did you catch that, Jimmy ;)?). And it had better stay the hell out of my way otherwise.

Really, after doing a couple of pretty decent burnouts almost 50 years ago in a 1964 Dodge with a 2-barrel 318 and automatic transmission there just isn't anything about burnouts left to prove.


Jonny - I'd rather be out driving my car than doing the same damn repair/rebuild/refresh yet again. Been there.

Burn outs are great...who doesn't love alittle smoke and rubber?

I was teasing about the engine rebuild part. It's alot more difficult to do swaps now a days. But these aren't German diesel motors, so babying them isn't going to buy you that much more time. They're meant to have the soot blown out every so often.

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[RobD]

There is much debate over what is better but ultimately you have to get what you want or can afford. Anyone remember the Grand National?? That car tore up a lot of V8 cars all with a just V6 oh and a little turbo.......

 

[Sixer]

Malikona, from the ford.ca / BuildPrice / Choose Model / Convertible page:

V6 Starting at Canadian $29,999 ~ EcoBoost Premium Starting at Canadian $38,999

 

[Tamadrummer88]

Dont overextend yourself just to say "i have the GT" That is a bad move for you financially. I mean, if i bought a GT and i had to spend 1/4 of my monthly take-home income just to afford it (assuming i could afford all my other bills, but barely) there would be no way i could be able to enjoy the car, because id be thinking, "oh, there goes another 50 or so miles, that depreciation", or "cant really do much driving, i might have to fill it up tomorrow, even though i filled it up two days ago"

If you get the EcoBoost, and its in your affordability range, you be able to enjoy it more, get better gas mileage out of it, still have a decent amount of power (these days 300HP is more than enough for 90% of auto enthusiasts) and be able to drive it happily not worrying that you're spending a lot of your income just to pay the monthly payment, and insurance, and fuel, and maintenance costs.

 

[Waylap1]

I had an EB on order and probably would have been fine with it....UNTIL. I couldn't wait any longer and bought an 11 GT with Roush axle backs. OMFG! Long story short, it just isn't the car for me as far as the features (base GT) and awful handling with solid rear axle. I live in rural area, two lane curvy bumpy roads. No Bluetooth with manual Trans and I make a lot of calls while driving.
But now I still want the S550 but there's now way I would be happy with the EB motor after driving this 11 GT. There's just no describing the sheer excitement and power in the new 5.0 and the sound is incredible. You don't have to take it to 100+ mph...just do some 2nd gear pulls with Roush axle backs and you're addicted!

 

[K-Roll302]

Dont overextend yourself just to say "i have the GT" That is a bad move for you financially. I mean, if i bought a GT and i had to spend 1/4 of my monthly take-home income just to afford it (assuming i could afford all my other bills, but barely) there would be no way i could be able to enjoy the car, because id be thinking, "oh, there goes another 50 or so miles, that depreciation", or "cant really do much driving, i might have to fill it up tomorrow, even though i filled it up two days ago"

If you get the EcoBoost, and its in your affordability range, you be able to enjoy it more, get better gas mileage out of it, still have a decent amount of power (these days 300HP is more than enough for 90% of auto enthusiasts) and be able to drive it happily not worrying that you're spending a lot of your income just to pay the monthly payment, and insurance, and fuel, and maintenance costs.

That's the problem! It is a bad move and I know it in my head; but my heart says different. I already worry about adding up the miles and depreciation because I will to have to trade in or sell my ST.

The thing with the Ecoboost, is that it is within my affordability range, I will be able to go further, and have more fun with increased range and even though has mileage isn't the first thing that comes to mind with a Mustang for me, it is a pro. And the most important thing is modifications, which will be plentiful with it and the GT. But where it fails is in the sound department; Going from a turbo-4 to another that will inevitably sound exactly the same as my current turbo-4, and I'm not a fan of the sound, stock or aftermarket. Sound as I've said before is very important to me and that's where the V6 and GT come into their own because they both make excellent sounds without mods.

I also like driving through the rev range and working to get the power, turbos don't do that and they run out of juice too soon.

But where the V6 may fail, is in the modifications and power department. Because Ford is getting rid of it, the aftermarket will be nothing if anything, and I'd honestly like to build the fastest naturally aspirated V6 Stang as a daily driver, but with no aftermarket, that seems unlikely.

So that's my dilemma, as a college student.

 

[Tamadrummer88]

That's the problem! It is a bad move and I know it in my head; but my heart says different. I already worry about adding up the miles and depreciation because I will to have to trade in or sell my ST.

The thing with the Ecoboost, is that it is within my affordability range, I will be able to go further, and have more fun with increased range and even though has mileage isn't the first thing that comes to mind with a Mustang for me, it is a pro. And the most important thing is modifications, which will be plentiful with it and the GT. But where it fails is in the sound department; Going from a turbo-4 to another that will inevitably sound exactly the same as my current turbo-4, and I'm not a fan of the sound, stock or aftermarket. Sound as I've said before is very important to me and that's where the V6 and GT come into their own because they both make excellent sounds without mods.

I also like driving through the rev range and working to get the power, turbos don't do that and they run out of juice too soon.

But where the V6 may fail, is in the modifications and power department. Because Ford is getting rid of it, the aftermarket will be nothing if anything, and I'd honestly like to build the fastest naturally aspirated V6 Stang as a daily driver, but with no aftermarket, that seems unlikely.

So that's my dilemma, as a college student.

IF that is the case, you should just wait a couple years or whatever until you have the financial means to comfortably afford a GT. Besides, the Focus ST isn't a bad car at all. I actually considered one of those very seriously awhile back, but when the EcoBoost Mustang came out it caught my eye instead.

 

[JonnyMustang]

So that's my dilemma, as a college student.

If you can't afford the car, you can't afford the mods especially. The mod bug bites big with Mustangs...best to avoid it until you can truly afford it. I don't know your whole financial situation, but you've got a great car in the ST already. Wait a few years, get a good job, and fill your garage with a gently used 2015/16 GT.

 

[Renner]

without a doubt 5.0/GT's hold their value better.

And thats why I see a 2014 GT sitting on a dealer lot by me with 6,124 miles on it for $12,443 less than the window sticker price? Yah, seems legit.

car values are ONLY made up of what the buyers will pay. If the market is flooded they are worth nothing in comparison to the original value V8 or not

 

[K-Roll302]

If you can't afford the car, you can't afford the mods especially. The mod bug bites big with Mustangs...best to avoid it until you can truly afford it. I don't know your whole financial situation, but you've got a great car in the ST already. Wait a few years, get a good job, and fill your garage with a gently used 2015/16 GT.

You say that, but I don't think it's likely for me to mod a GT right off the back, and here's why:

1. It makes more power than I'd ever need, so I don't see myself even trying to mod it for power.
2. It sounds great in stock form as well; on my ST, I couldn't stand a month without real noise, so I put on a Ford Racing catback. Then I wanted more torque, so I bought a used AP, which was fun for a couple months before I sold that for what I payed for it.

It's more than good enough in stock form that I see no reason to ever mod one immediately. Also, a gently used GT? I'm seriously would not imagine that existing ever; especially with all the fun that can be had with the new cars..

 

[Darkrune]

Here's my view on the subject:

There is a significant portion of buyers that buy the car for the performance/$ ratio. Many aren't first and foremost buying the Mustang because its a Mustang, they're buying it because it ticks off the performance box in a price range that they like. All the other stuff comes second.

That's not to say looks, ergonomics, heritage, etc. aren't important, but they aren't as big of deal breakers as the performance/$ is for a good segment of the market that buys the Mustang.

This is true for me in almost every certainty. I wanted a RWD car with a turbo that could handle the track well and be a panty dropper too. I come from years of imports (both Euro and Japanese), so this is a very special car to grab my attention. I mean sure, I waste LOADS of money on buying new cars, but I have to have this one special mustang. CO PP with a six speed EB. That is what fits me. I mulled over actually getting a 5.0, but I feel that I get the biggest kick from hearing a turbo spool and people getting poopy pants faces when I pass them in it.

 

[OX1]

And thats why I see a 2014 GT sitting on a dealer lot by me with 6,124 miles on it for $12,443 less than the window sticker price? Yah, seems legit.

car values are ONLY made up of what the buyers will pay. If the market is flooded they are worth nothing in comparison to the original value V8 or not

Well, it is a used car, so original sticker price has nothing to do with it. It is possibly the worst time ever to sell a lightly used 14 GT. Brand new car just came out, highest depreciation in the first year for any car.

But by all means, post up that deal, since there are many on other boards that can't seem to find an 11 GT for less than 20K, let alone a 14.

 

[BmacIL]

That's the problem! It is a bad move and I know it in my head; but my heart says different. I already worry about adding up the miles and depreciation because I will to have to trade in or sell my ST.

The thing with the Ecoboost, is that it is within my affordability range, I will be able to go further, and have more fun with increased range and even though has mileage isn't the first thing that comes to mind with a Mustang for me, it is a pro. And the most important thing is modifications, which will be plentiful with it and the GT. But where it fails is in the sound department; Going from a turbo-4 to another that will inevitably sound exactly the same as my current turbo-4, and I'm not a fan of the sound, stock or aftermarket. Sound as I've said before is very important to me and that's where the V6 and GT come into their own because they both make excellent sounds without mods.

I also like driving through the rev range and working to get the power, turbos don't do that and they run out of juice too soon.

But where the V6 may fail, is in the modifications and power department. Because Ford is getting rid of it, the aftermarket will be nothing if anything, and I'd honestly like to build the fastest naturally aspirated V6 Stang as a daily driver, but with no aftermarket, that seems unlikely.

So that's my dilemma, as a college student.

I know exactly what you mean about the sound, and I've kept the idea of the V6 in the running myself for a while just for that. However, when I see things like this:
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...I start to sway towards an EB with PP.

As others have said, I would recommend you keep the ST till you finish college and start your career. I'm only a handful of years removed from college, but trust me, you'll thank yourself later that you waited. If you wait, you'll know your income situation and can much better plan what you can afford. Plus, think of it as a graduation gifts. There will still be plenty of S550's around then, and they'll likely be better than the '15s.

 

[Papaya]

And there is the way that you wait 12 month longer and get a used V8. $10,000 off the original price brings it down to the EB prices.

BTW: You don't have to start thinking that the EB will ever sound like a V8. No way! There is no inline engine who will ever sound like a V-engine. Yes you can get a different sound with aftermarket parts - but no V-sounding sound.

So reading and understanding your point of view - there is only V6 or V8 and the time when you should buy. I think you should get used V8 so you get what you are graving for. The V8 sound. You still can start to collect money on YOUTUBE like the young kid did to buy his EB Mustang.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Burn outs are great...who doesn't love a little smoke and rubber?

After I did that a couple of times way-back-when, I really did completely lose interest and haven't lit 'em up like that since in any car. Checked it off my bucket list before such a thing even had the name. These days, the amount of rubber you'd throw away in even a "little" two wheel burnout might represent a whole 20 minute session's worth of tire wear on all four at my next track day.

I do drive quite enthusiastically at times, obviously very enthusiastically in the right environment, just that it's not in the showoff/streetrace/dragrace sense. It's fine to know you have a car that can do a burnout, but that doesn't mean there is any need to prove it.


Norm

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