Electromechanical conversion

[offroadkarter]

This might be one of the most boomer-tastic threads I have ever read on this forum, and that is saying something since I've been on here over 8 years.

I think what you really want is a crown victoria with a coyote swap + manual swap. My 04 Marauder has like 3 whole computers in it, all the gauges are analog. It even has a factory watts link rear end, something the S197 guys have to go aftermarket to achieve. I think you'd be much happier in a panther platform.

So, after you managed to kill the car, mangle all the harnesses, torn the interior apart, which MOT is going to attest that your car without ABS, airbags, stability controls, windows (they will shatter the third time you close a door after you mangled the BCM and driver door module)... is safe?
How are you going to drive around?

We don't have "MOT" in the states. Although I do hope he lives in a non-emissions county in VA because something tells me if he has to achieve his dreams by going full stand alone PCM, he's going to eliminate OBDII + emissions monitoring in the process.

I'll just say this.
I hope that if you actually try this conversion you intend to keep the car forever. Whether it works or not the value of the car will be seriously diminished. Possibly making it extremely difficult to even find a buyer for.

I was thinking the exact same thing. If he goes ahead and turns this car into that of a trailer park special 3rd gen F body with summit racing gauges screwed into a diamond plate dash, the next owner will be picking this thing up "for parts only" .

My driver side window is stuck in the up position and I have not shattered my glass.

Not yet anyway. I've had to open my door with the battery dead and I wouldn't want to be doing that every day.

George Barris did all kinds of shit most would have said "don't do it"

George Barris also built a lot of ugly ass cars and slapped his name on other cars he had no hand in building. I'm not sure he is the example I'd be using here. His "upgrades" to the original fast and furious RX7 told the entire story about his creative process.

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[sk47]

This might be one of the most boomer-tastic threads I have ever read on this forum, and that is saying something since I've been on here over 8 years.

I think what you really want is a crown victoria with a coyote swap + manual swap. My 04 Marauder has like 3 whole computers in it, all the gauges are analog. It even has a factory watts link rear end, something the S197 guys have to go aftermarket to achieve. I think you'd be much happier in a panther platform.





We don't have "MOT" in the states. Although I do hope he lives in a non-emissions county in VA because something tells me if he has to achieve his dreams by going full stand alone PCM, he's going to eliminate OBDII + emissions monitoring in the process.




I was thinking the exact same thing. If he goes ahead and turns this car into that of a trailer park special 3rd gen F body with summit racing gauges screwed into a diamond plate dash, the next owner will be picking this thing up "for parts only" .




Not yet anyway. I've had to open my door with the battery dead and I wouldn't want to be doing that every day.




George Barris also built a lot of ugly ass cars and slapped his name on other cars he had no hand in building. I'm not sure he is the example I'd be using here. His "upgrades" to the original fast and furious RX7 told the entire story about his creative process.

Hello; I have thought about this plan a few days. While I understand the desire to get away from most of the electronic gadgets, I do get they are too deeply Intergrated into the being of a modern vehicle.

Last fall I was tempted to buy an as near as perfect 1964 Pontiac GTO as I have seen since 1964. Owner had kept it good all over. He put it up on quick jacks and let me have a good look. I could not find anything to criticize. Body & interior were also in good shape. Some patina to be sure but no dash cracks or bad places in the seats.

Here is the point. It drove like a 1964 GTO. Been decades since I had driven that era of car. I was not exactly shocked but the contrast between it and the way a modern car drives was dramatic.

The OP of this thread is onto something which strikes a chord with some of us. There must be a section of new car manufacturers where computer techs work at adding some new gadget just because computers allow such to be done. I get that for some folks theses gadgets are very important. They are the bright & shiny new thing. Guess i would like a section of the new automotive world to exist where I can opt out of much of these things.

A while back I decided to look for a 1994 to 1996 F-150 ford pickup. The new trucks have too many things on them I do not like. Such as some version of cylinder deactivation. Ford, Ram and GM all have it. They do not have vent windows which I miss.
At the time my 2004 pickup was down due to rodents chewing wires. Had to replace the harness and fuse block. Thing was I could not do the job my self. Had to go to a shop with special electronic tools.
I picked the 1994 to 1996 F-150 years as they have some of the useful newer stuff such as fuel injection and also have the newer r-134A AC refrigerant. Cannot get R-12 anymore. I have one can of R-12 left.
A thing is I came late to the notion of those model year F-150's. They are sought after and draw high prices. Missed the boat again.

 

[ORRadtech]

You often see or hear people say that they wish car makers would just make a basic, no frills car like they used to. But that's just never going to happen. They would not sell enough of them to justify making it. Besides that, there are certain things that government and simple liability will depend. ABS, traction control, SRS, engine management and possibly AC, to name a few. What you may find is manufacturers building in all the bells and whistles but charging to turn them on.

 

[Cobra Jet]

You often see or hear people say that they wish car makers would just make a basic, no frills car like they used to. But that's just never going to happen. They would not sell enough of them to justify making it. Besides that, there are certain things that government and simple liability will depend. ABS, traction control, SRS, engine management and possibly AC, to name a few. What you may find is manufacturers building in all the bells and whistles but charging to turn them on.

Short off topic banter:
The Govt. and NHTSA isn’t THAT concerned about liability… IF they WERE, then idiots wouldn’t be able to use a cell phone for gaming, streaming videos, and other shit while they’re driving. There wouldn’t be “hands free driving” (where the death score is continually jumping), OR allowing the vehicle manufacturers to put in more complex digital screens where explicit use of “this screen and that screen” in new vehicles requires a driver HAVING to take their eyes off the road to figure out WTF screen or menu they need to get into just to turn on the A/C or run defrosters….

LMFAO… L-i-a-b-i-l-i-t-y.

The above is exactly why Auto Insurance premiums are jumping 50% - and the fact that EV’s are part of that premium problem due to the fire risk and weight of those vehicles causing more damages.
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Back to subject matter…

Anyone convert an S550 to a “Hi-Po” carb’d 289?

I mean OP essentially is trying to delete systems, harnesses and modules - why not just go all the way to a shell with basic drivetrain and wheels?



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but on serious note, like previously posted, the OP’s best bet for what is being asked is a Ford Performance Standalone system, or follow Factory 5 guys tech on doing a bare bones Coyote setup. However as was mentioned, there will be many problems due to modern day module integrations and if street legal, then getting it to pass through emissions.

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Can the OP post an image of their vehicle and any starting “cuts” of its vitals?

The guy on here who created the 1st and only (to date) AWD S550 had a great personal challenge and accomplished it.

I’d like to see the same challenge with the OP.

 

[engineermike]

The guy on here who created the 1st and only (to date) AWD S550 had a great personal challenge and accomplished it.

I’d like to see the same challenge with the OP.

Except an awd m6 supercharged s550 is cool as hell. A gutted 80’sfied hack job with switches, autometer gauges, and relays everywhere is, well, not.

 

[K4fxd]

The guy on here who created the 1st and only (to date) AWD S550 had a great personal challenge and accomplished it.

I'll bet 2 or 300 people told him it wasn't practical, shouldn't do it, better places to spend money ect........

Anyone convert an S550 to a “Hi-Po” carb’d 289?

I think if I was going to swap I'd go with a NASCAR setup

 

[RazzaRossa]

Sell your current car and take the proceeds to buy a junk 4 banger S550 with a blow'd motor and swap in a used Coyote motor/5 spd/IRS THEN go to town on the electronics, much more fun project with less risk of loosing your shirt (pants and underware).

 

[ORRadtech]

The Govt. and NHTSA isn’t THAT concerned about liability…
LMFAO… L-i-a-b-i-l-i-t-y.

You're right, the government probably doesn't care. On the other hand, insurance companies probably do. How hard would it be to insure a car with no ABS, traction nannies, air bags or security? Hell, you can't get insurance on some KIAs now because they're so easy to steal. Insurance probably wouldn't even acknowledge such a car existed. And if you can't get a company to insure you how many people will be able to self insure?

 

[Geodudes550]

I’m still chuckling that OP mentioned an ‘88 Trans Am as a car lacking useless gizmos. Yknow, a car with pop up headlights

 

[K4fxd]

I’m still chuckling that OP mentioned an ‘88 Trans Am as a car lacking useless gizmos. Yknow, a car with pop up headlights

You think he maybe meant 78?

 

[engineermike]

I honestly think the OP is Fatguy. He was banned but the logic sequence, paradigm and grammar are a match.

 

[Cobra Jet]

I honestly think the OP is Fatguy. He was banned but the logic sequence, paradigm and grammar are a match.

Interesting….

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