Drag vs roll racing????

[bluebeastsrt]

Since more and more people are using automatics now, and they are proving to be faster, can you really call it driver skill when using an auto? I mean, if you set the car up well, it's basically just mashing a pedal and going. Don't have to worry about slipping the clutch, bogging the launch, missing a gear, banging off the Rev limiter, etc. Am I missing something here? Serious question since I've never drag raced an auto.

You try launching 700-1000whp with the auto. And get back to me. While your at it. Make sure to do better than my double zero reaction time. If it was easy. Everyone would get paid to do it.

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[Braski]

You try launching 700-1000whp with the auto. And get back to me. While your at it. Make sure to do better than my double zero reaction time. If it was easy. Everyone would get paid to do it.

I don't think he was implying that it doesn't take any skill, just less skill. Just like launching a manual with a 2 step is more consistent/easier than a manual without one. As far as launching a auto can be trickier than a manual if you have a stall converter and trans break but after the launch it's pretty simple. There's 3 reason why everyone runs a auto vs manual; faster, less breakage and more consistent. The only reason to run a manual over an auto is fun factor. I guess I'm ok with being the fun looser.

 

[Dark Pony]

You try launching 700-1000whp with the auto. And get back to me. While your at it. Make sure to do better than my double zero reaction time. If it was easy. Everyone would get paid to do it.

So you are trying to say driving an auto is harder than driving a manual @ 700-1000 whp?

 

[yote41]

No doubt about it.auto is easier. Manual more fun. Pick your poison.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Drag racing is mainly hard on the drivetrain from the initial start. Roll racing is hard on the motor on the top end. Each gear gets harder on the rods. Imagine your legs are rods on a 19 speed bike. You're putting out the same power when in the lower gears but the higher in the gears you get the harder the toll takes on the rods or your legs to continue to push.

I haven't heard this analogy before, or that there's more force on the rods in higher gears for a given rpm. I'm not saying what you say isn't true, but do you have a source to back up this theory? I'd like to read about it. Thanks.

 

[Shane361]

So you are trying to say driving an auto is harder than driving a manual @ 700-1000 whp?

I'm sure he was not implying it is easier but that it still takes some skill launching a high HP Auto.

 

[Jmtoast]

Roll racing has become popular because cars have become too powerful for getting consistent traction from a dig. Especially In The case of boosted cars. I’m lose to 80 at times before I get solid grip from a dig and that’s with R rated tires. And of course my exhaust, along with s lot of others, is like a sonic boom. Highway roll racing gives you a nice smooth even pavement with more room, heated tires, cooler inlet temps and cool down and of course better traction.

 

[WildHorse]

From the dig = for fun. From a roll = for cash.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

You try launching 700-1000whp with the auto. And get back to me. While your at it. Make sure to do better than my double zero reaction time. If it was easy. Everyone would get paid to do it.

guess it depends on the car. I’ve seen 3 different drivers that run 7 second stick car to a 13 second station wagon, all get in a powerglide Vette and all run 8.6-8.7. First time he drove it... looking bored as shit the whole time... the saying is true one you ride the other you drive.. but there is a reason people go with auto, it’s generally faster.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

So you are trying to say driving an auto is harder than driving a manual @ 700-1000 whp?

No that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is. You implied there is no skill in drag racing an automatic. To quote you. It's just mashing the pedal and go. So I said. Try it at a high level. If there's no skill involved. You should be amazing at it. Right? Post up all your 8-9 second time slips with double zero reaction times. Do you have any of those? In my opinion. You can drive a manual slow in a drag race. And lose to the automatics 99% of the time. The manual guys will also break way more shit in the process. That seams stupid to me. If your racing at a high level. Like I do. (Gamblers bracket racing) When the whole idea. Is to get down the track as fast & consistently as possible. They don't give style points to the losers. Who shift their own gears. So my original point was. If it's so easy. Why aren't you and everyone else make money at a drag strip racing automatics? Instead of what ever boring job you current work. You said you were asking a serious question. That was my serious answer.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

No that's not what I'm saying at all. You can drive a manual slow in a drag race. And lose to the automatics. And break more shit in the process. That seams stupid to me. If your racing at a high level like I do. (bracket racing) When the whole idea. Is to get down the track as fast as possible. They don't give style points to the losers who shift their own gears in drag racing. Or roll racing for that matter. You implied there is no skill in drag racing an automatic. So I said try it at a high level. If there's no skill involved. You should be amazing at it. So post up those 8-9 second time slips with double zero reaction times? Because if it was so easy. We'd make money doing that. Instead of what ever boring job you current work.

you keep on with this double zero.. what double zero? 0.0?? Or .00?? Because .00 just a lucky thing. Average for the best top fuel drivers in the world is .07.. so if your cracking off .00 then why are you not out in the NRHA circuit.

 

[Dark Pony]

No that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is. You implied there is no skill in drag racing an automatic. To quote you. It's just mashing the pedal and go. So I said try it at a high level. If there's no skill involved. You should be amazing at it. Post up all your 8-9 second time slips with double zero reaction times. Do you have any of those? In my opinion. You can drive a manual slow in a drag race. And lose to the automatics 99% of the time. And break more shit in the process. That seams stupid to me. If your racing at a high level. Like I do. (Gamblers bracket racing) When the whole idea. Is to get down the track as fast & consistently as possible. They don't give style points to the losers. Who shift their own gears in drag racing. Or roll racing for that matter. So my original point was. If it's so easy. Why aren't you make money at a drag strip? Instead of what ever boring job you current work.

OK. Just making sure you weren't saying it takes more skill to drive a high whp automatic vs. Stick car as you were implying. Also, I didn't say drag racing was easy, I was saying driving an auto car is easier than a stick car, whp irrelevant. Didn't mean to insult your sensitivities.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

OK. Just making sure you weren't saying it takes more skill to drive a high whp automatic vs. Stick car as you were implying. Also, I didn't say drag racing was easy, I was saying driving an auto car is easier than a stick car, whp irrelevant. Didn't mean to insult your sensitivities.

I'm not insulted. You asked a question. I answered it. We can still be friends. I drag raced a front wheel drive, stick shift SRT-4 in the past. I know all about doing things the hard way,

 

[bluebeastsrt]

you keep on with this double zero.. what double zero? 0.0?? Or .00?? Because .00 just a lucky thing. Average for the best top fuel drivers in the world is .07.. so if your cracking off .00 then why are you not out in the NRHA circuit.

You don’t bracket race do you?
Double zero light=.009, .008, etc.
High single zero light=.099, .089 etc.
Low single zero light=.010, .020 etc.
Triple zero light=perfect. I.E. pure luck.
Top fuel uses a pro tree. Gamblers night Bracket racing uses a standardized 3 bulb tree. It’s Much easier to cut a good light. When you have time to react to it. That’s why it’s easier to cut a good/consistent light on a standard tree In a no electronics gamblers race! Top fuel professionals=pro tree=hard. Weekend warriors=standard tree=easier. This is why I’m not racing against John force. Moving on.
If your cutting a high single zero light on any gamblers race. You can expect to go out in the first round. You can finish in the money. By Cutting low single zero lights all night. Maybe even win the night with some luck. If you want to Finish number one for the night on most nights. You better have at least one. Maybe two double zero light reaction times. To finish first. You win money if you place in the top 4 to 8 places. depending on how many racers show up on a given night. I recommend trying it. Or at the very least. Go watch a gamblers race. And watch how many racers. That do it every week. Have consistent,very low reaction times.

 

[Burkey]

I don't think he was implying that it doesn't take any skill, just less skill. Just like launching a manual with a 2 step is more consistent/easier than a manual without one. As far as launching a auto can be trickier than a manual if you have a stall converter and trans break but after the launch it's pretty simple. There's 3 reason why everyone runs a auto vs manual; faster, less breakage and more consistent. The only reason to run a manual over an auto is fun factor. I guess I'm ok with being the fun looser.

Same. But...
Launching a reasonably high HP, PD blown stick car is bloody hard on the driver AND the car.
Replacing driveshafts, halfshafts, clutches and diffs gets old pretty quick.
Worse still when it’s the already upgraded parts that you’re breaking.
Pretty rewarding to send auto drivers home when bracket racing though.

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