Does The EcoBoost Need A Catch Can?

[UPRjoe]

1. The claims and information are by no means a simple explanation, neither is the actual function and importance of the role of properly functioning catch cans and crankcase evacuation. This is all fact and I can understand that it might be hard to grasp due to the complexity of the demands of a boosted application.

2. You will not catch all the oil the that is getting sucked or blown into your intake through a non baffled chamber design. The baffle in your can is for oil sloshing around. It never even sees the air stream or oil pathway just the drops that fall from the Sintered Bronze Muffler-Filter.

3. I absolutely never wanted to cut Mishimoto down. My apologies if you took it that way I have tons of testing and watched the results with these engines and understand how they work extremely well. I'm sure you guys will offer a good setup. I never said it wouldn't function, I just stated that it would still allow oil to get through because the boost will pressurize the catch can.

My claims are supported from experience with that design personally and many others that did exactly what I claimed. UPR has been through numerous internal designs in the past few years with our catch cans after seeing that the side by side non baffled chambers allow oil to pull through. These tests have been run by myself and others. Yes it does catch oil, but it's really all about what they don't catch as much as it's about what they don't catch.

BTW, the color of your oil is milky brown because you are catching condensation from your aluminum catch can with a tiny bit of oil mist. That is the reason for the coloring inside your can. That is not coming from the crankcase, but simply a byproduct of the aluminum can being very cold or in cold weather and the engine air in the PCV heating it up quickly causing condensation.

(Like a can of soda sweating in hot weather.) That brown coloration is water-moisture.

I'm sure that your test car is very cold weather up north. You rarely see that in florida because of the always hot climates.

None of this is in disrespect and I was just stating the facts and functions of the PCV system and what has been found over and over. You are right about letting the enthusiast make educated decisions and choose what they like. Either way your stuff looks nice and will catch some oil.

:cheers:

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[ECOKN815]

"we needed to address the routing of the PCV line. Our can will splice into the stock line that connects to the PCV plate on the block, as well as to a port on the throttle body. First, the hoses are mounted to the can itself." -Mishimoto

Splice in meaning cutting into the stock line correct?

 

[Mishimoto]

1. The claims and information are by no means a simple explanation, neither is the actual function and importance of the role of properly functioning catch cans and crankcase evacuation. This is all fact and I can understand that it might be hard to grasp due to the complexity of the demands of a boosted application.

2. You will not catch all the oil the that is getting sucked or blown into your intake through a non baffled chamber design. The baffle in your can is for oil sloshing around. It never even sees the air stream or oil pathway just the drops that fall from the Sintered Bronze Muffler-Filter.

3. I absolutely never wanted to cut Mishimoto down. My apologies if you took it that way I have tons of testing and watched the results with these engines and understand how they work extremely well. I'm sure you guys will offer a good setup. I never said it wouldn't function, I just stated that it would still allow oil to get through because the boost will pressurize the catch can.

My claims are supported from experience with that design personally and many others that did exactly what I claimed. UPR has been through numerous internal designs in the past few years with our catch cans after seeing that the side by side non baffled chambers allow oil to pull through. These tests have been run by myself and others. Yes it does catch oil, but it's really all about what they don't catch as much as it's about what they don't catch.

BTW, the color of your oil is milky brown because you are catching condensation from your aluminum catch can with a tiny bit of oil mist. That is the reason for the coloring inside your can. That is not coming from the crankcase, but simply a byproduct of the aluminum can being very cold or in cold weather and the engine air in the PCV heating it up quickly causing condensation.

(Like a can of soda sweating in hot weather.) That brown coloration is water-moisture.

I'm sure that your test car is very cold weather up north. You rarely see that in florida because of the always hot climates.

None of this is in disrespect and I was just stating the facts and functions of the PCV system and what has been found over and over. You are right about letting the enthusiast make educated decisions and choose what they like. Either way your stuff looks nice and will catch some oil.

:cheers:

Thank you Joe!

"we needed to address the routing of the PCV line. Our can will splice into the stock line that connects to the PCV plate on the block, as well as to a port on the throttle body. First, the hoses are mounted to the can itself." -Mishimoto

Splice in meaning cutting into the stock line correct?

Perhaps splice was not the best word to use here. Our can is positioned in the middle of this particular line route. The silicone lines we developed will completely replace the stock line.

Thanks for taking a look.

 

[ECOKN815]

Excellent. I am not looking for a product that will need to modify original equipment. I like the option of switching back to stock if needed. Any ETA as of when this product goes into production?

 

[JeffreyDJ]

Excellent. I am not looking for a product that will need to modify original equipment. I like the option of switching back to stock if needed. Any ETA as of when this product goes into production?

Agreed. Not convinced to get one yet, but if I do then I prefer a system that won't require drilling or modifying stock parts, so I can return as close as possible to OEM.

 

[Mishimoto]

Excellent. I am not looking for a product that will need to modify original equipment. I like the option of switching back to stock if needed. Any ETA as of when this product goes into production?

Yes, we will also be including factory-style quick connects which will mate to our silicone lines. Reversing the install will be an extremely quick process. Our testing is just about complete (final recap next week). We are anticipating a release date right around the first week of February. As long as our test results are positive (so far they are!), we will be launching a pre-sale with discounted pricing within the next two weeks.

Thanks for the interest!

Agreed. Not convinced to get one yet, but if I do then I prefer a system that won't require drilling or modifying stock parts, so I can return as close as possible to OEM.

Thanks!

 

[jholtz]

Yes, we will also be including factory-style quick connects which will mate to our silicone lines. Reversing the install will be an extremely quick process. Our testing is just about complete (final recap next week). We are anticipating a release date right around the first week of February. As long as our test results are positive (so far they are!), we will be launching a pre-sale with discounted pricing within the next two weeks.

Thanks for the interest!



Thanks!

Like most, I've been doing a lot of research on catch cans and it seems that having check valves and a positive vacuum source are essential for it to work properly with the Ecoboost or turbo cars in general.

Does your design incorporate these two features?

Thanks!

Jim

 

[UPRjoe]

Agreed. Not convinced to get one yet, but if I do then I prefer a system that won't require drilling or modifying stock parts, so I can return as close as possible to OEM.

We are working on having our setup ready with no drilling required by the 21st of this month to take this kit a step further. We will have 3 different silicone connectors where the WOT connection will be located for the stock and aftermarket intake systems.

We are also selling tons of the current kit to the people that want immediate protection and improved performance.

Joe

 

[jholtz]

We are working on having our setup ready with no drilling required by the 21st of this month to take this kit a step further. We will have 3 different silicone connectors where the WOT connection will be located for the stock and aftermarket intake systems.

We are also selling tons of the current kit to the people that want immediate protection and improved performance.

Joe

Hi Joe,

Being able to reverse the installation, quickly and easily is important to me too. I'm really glad to hear you're refining the installation to allow that.

Please let us know as soon as the new kit is available.

Jim

 

[doulos4jc]

We are also selling tons of the current kit to the people that want...improved performance.

Joe

Please explain, thanks.

 

[JeffreyDJ]

We are working on having our setup ready with no drilling required by the 21st of this month to take this kit a step further. We will have 3 different silicone connectors where the WOT connection will be located for the stock and aftermarket intake systems.

We are also selling tons of the current kit to the people that want immediate protection and improved performance.

Joe

Sounds good. Looking forward to it.

 

[UPRjoe]

Please explain, thanks.

Improved Performance

The current design of the Ecoboost PCV system will allow boost to go into the crankcase and be absorbed and pushed through the system forcing oil and trash to get into the air stream and combustion chamber.

This is only on Boosted Applications that this happens. Think of the pathway to the PCV system the same as an air leak when you pressurize it under boost that air never sees the combustion chamber. This will not allow you to get the True Boost your Turbo is delivering.

From experience with many supercharged and turbocharged applications no one ever looks for every ounce of boost / performance. Because this never comes to mind. It's one thing to get Blow-by from air getting past the rings, but it's a totally different thing to allow boost to escape at the throttle body or from the positive intake tract after the inter-cooler.

It might only be 1/2lb or 1lb of boost that can be lost under WOT. But I it's was part of our learning curve and the quest for continuous improvement. To Eliminate that we incorporated the primary check valve to shut off the PCV line when under boost and allow the Wide Open Throttle line to take over and utilize the vacuum from the Turbo inlet to properly evacuate the crankcase and maintain correct PCV function and flow direction.

Were not talking Tenths or Big MPH here. It's when you used to be dead even with your buddy and now you can pull him a fender length through the quarter mile.

 

[doulos4jc]

Thank you Joe

 

[Billy1]

How easy is it to drain the catch can/s?-Do I have to take the whole system off or can I get to the bottom of the can/s(from the top side of the engine) to drain into a receptacle.

 

[UPRjoe]

The system is very easy to service by simply opening the 1/4 turn ball valve to drain the system into the appropriate container for disposal. Which can be reached from the top very easily.

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