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[BmacIL]

I already have parts that I'm in the middle of installing. That's why it's frustrating. i see shortcuts that weren't necessary.

IMO - good design doesn't necessarily equate to cost.

Here's a big part of what you guys might not understand: the rear IRS is, overall, a shared design with several platforms. This includes the Escape, the Continental and at least a couple more. Ford can make the Mustang as affordable as it can because a lot of the initial design/hard tooling is shared. Some of what you call "shortcuts" are adaptations to fit the platform. If they go and vastly change it, it's all new tooling and R&D. That will get passed onto the customer. Sure, they absolutely could make it better, but not at acceptable cost. To you and me, it probably would be an acceptable increase. To thousands of others, it wouldn't.

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[Competition Orange]

Well.

I do the 2015+ Mustang and 2016+ Camaro stuff here at BMR.

Honestly, GM hit a homerun with their bushings/designs. However, the car is much more money than the S550.

It's too bad GM spent all their design dollars under the car, because the exterior, beltline and interior are horrific. :cheers:

 

[NightmareMoon]

Yeah, I'm not feeling it. If you're such a good engineer, you'd understand trade-offs for NVH and understand that the Mustang is NOT designed (nor is it) and niche car only for the hard-core. Its sold world-wide and they want to eliminate noise, vibration, harshness more than they want to check a checkbox next to 'bushing type' for the sake of having it checked.

Even with PP-equipped cars, most won't see a dragstrip, road course, or autox in the car's life.

Next time, at least Pony up to a manual car with the PP before you can complain about things like soft bushings. Its difficult to feel much sympathy for a guy who gets the base GT suspension and then complains how Ford got it all wrong not making it hard-core enough. Haters gonna hate I guess.

Take the money you saved on the base suspension (should be roughly $1500) and put that into personalizing your car's suspension for your own personal tastes, just like the rest of us have been doing on all our mass-market sports cars for decades.

 

[Competition Orange]

Yeah, I'm not feeling it. If you're such a good engineer, you'd understand trade-offs for NVH and understand that the Mustang is NOT designed (nor is it) and niche car only for the hard-core. Its sold world-wide and they want to eliminate noise, vibration, harshness more than they want to check a checkbox next to 'bushing type' for the sake of having it checked.

I hate this argument. You can have better designs and still accomplish good NVH, and cost for that matter.

Not mutually exclusive imo.

 

[David@Steeda]

Well, Ford did myself and [MENTION=10893]David@Steeda[/MENTION] a favor!

If you want to look into improving it, there are some very cost effective and simple modifications you can do to your S550, to make it a completely different animal. ;)

Isn't that the truth! :cheers:

 

[Commbubba19]

I hate this argument. You can have better designs and still accomplish good NVH, and cost for that matter.

Not mutually exclusive imo.

Nail on fucking head that people can't seem to wrap their heads around.

 

[BmacIL]

I hate this argument. You can have better designs and still accomplish good NVH, and cost for that matter.

Not mutually exclusive imo.

Please see my post at the top of this page.

 

[Azzurro]

You beat me to this post. As I was driving my car on a freeway sweeping turn this morning the car is bouncing and floating all over the place and I'm thinking how in the hell does Ford release a car with such a POS suspension? I have a Non PP GT Automatic.

It's worse I know since my last car was a BMW 335i M sport with adaptive suspension but jeez Louise. I get the car is still a value but I'd rather pay more for the car so that it drives like the BMW right out of the gate. I would gladly pay $5,000 for an upgraded suspension from the factory that you don't have to do anything too. I get the engineering/marketing aspect of it. Really I do but why not raise the bar a little?

 

[daltron]

You know i haven't seen much on here regarding the really pathetic ford design for the mustang suspension. This simply shouldn't be accepted.

Seriously - after digging in and replacing god knows how many parts just to get the car to handle decently is pretty pathetic nowadays. I mean the whole IRS design is just a load of BS. Did Ford not learn from the 99-04 cobras that their cradle design sucked? How was this deemed an acceptable to ford management and engineers?

I guess I'm venting but it seems counter intuitive to build a 'muscle' or 'pony' car which is widely accepted as a performance vehicle but make it as soft as a fricken Cadillac. RWD IRS vehicles are not new. Ford should have easily been able to design a rear suspension platform that actually worked without bandaid'ng the platform with pathetically soft bushings everywhere to hide their poor design.

What really burns me up is that Ford knows it and then sells upgraded bits that should have been on the car in the first place. Proper bushings in the control arms for camber and toe. Stiffer vertical links that don't flex like they're made of plastic.

The thing is, as an engineer, i know that usually a good design can still be done keeping cost effectiveness in mind. I guess i'm just really disappointed in the bushings Ford chose to go with on this car. And the excuse that the aftermarket can take care of it is just lame justification. I really feel this will be my last ford product. I stepped away for over 5 years and came back really hoping to be impressed. I'm not. I'm glad I got my car for as cheap as I did because it isn't worth any more than what I paid.

What were you expecting with a base GT? Better yet, what were you expecting for one of the if not the best bang for the buck performance cars out there? You could spend less than 35K and get a car from the factor that has faster lap times than the Boss 302 and you complain...

 

[BmacIL]

It seems many of you know literally nothing about automotive product development. Try it for a few years, and then you'll understand.

 

[Competition Orange]

Nail on fucking head that people can't seem to wrap their heads around.

Maybe because you're coming off like a 6 year old girl stomping her feet?

Please see my post at the top of this page.

I understand that, I do. However, there is no denying that better bushings could have been "developed" even with the cross platform design of other parts.

I think there could have easily been a happy medium with little effort. Do I care? not much, just acknowledging the short comings. I'd gladly take better panel alignment and initial quality vs bushings, however.

 

[Competition Orange]

It's also painfully apparent that most people are pointing the finger at the bushings instead of the correct location: terrible dampers, both base and PP.

 

[Evil Minion]

I hate this argument. You can have better designs and still accomplish good NVH, and cost for that matter.

Not mutually exclusive imo.

Nail on fucking head that people can't seem to wrap their heads around.

:lol: Go get a job working in finance in the auto industry and learn a thing or two before making ignorant comments about how a massive world wide company "should know better".
If they went and "had a better design" then everyone would piss and moan about how their last mustang was awesome and cheap at the same time, blah blah blah Ford is stupid with their pricing, etc. When you use an existing design you have tooling for already in order to hit a price point, you have to make compromises.
Oh, and guess what? Their core customers that this is marketed for are in no way shape or form 95% of the people on this forum... The general buyers are 100% satisfied with the existing bushings (if they even know what bushings are lol)

It seems many of you know literally nothing about automotive product development. Try it for a few years, and then you'll understand.

Seriously :clap2:

 

[Silver Fox]

I too bought an automatic equipped GT premium and experienced the bounce and bottoming on high speed dips from the rear. I purchased a set of used PP springs because I didn't want the car lowered and installed a set of Koni's. Huge improvement for not a huge amount of money. I'm in the tire and repair business and have driven plenty of high end sports cars. Can't touch my car for the money as far as performance and comfort goes.

 

[Competition Orange]

:lol: Go get a job working in finance in the auto industry and learn a thing or two before making ignorant comments about how a massive world wide company "should know better".
If they went and "had a better design" then everyone would piss and moan about how their last mustang was awesome and cheap at the same time, blah blah blah Ford is stupid with their pricing, etc. When you use an existing design you have tooling for already in order to hit a price point, you have to make compromises.
Oh, and guess what? Their core customers that this is marketed for are in no way shape or form 95% of the people on this forum... The general buyers are 100% satisfied with the existing bushings (if they even know what bushings are lol)
Seriously :clap2:

Apologist much?

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