Defunding the Police - disbanding them

[lateinthegame]

The incident in Minnesota that started this dumpster fire of riots was caused by actions of a bad cop with a personal grudge. It'll come out in court trial that the two men knew each other and the cop knew what he was doing. He may not have intended to kill Mr. Floyd but his actions caused it and the inactions of the other officers exacerbated the problem. The killer will go to prison. Not so sure about the others, perhaps a conviction of a lesser crime. Somehow, this personal grudge triggered massive protests with criminals taking advantage of the tense situation fueled by greed and the need to destroy someone else's property.
The bad cop will be convicted if the prosecution pushes all issues. The good LEOs are being punished for the action of a few bad ones. You will see more crime in black neighborhoods due to the police letting suspects escape rather than fight to subdue them. Criminals will be emboldened to fight the police because if anything goes wrong the cop will be prosecuted or the cop will just let him go. I'm glad I live in a rural subdivision containing one 1/2 mile road that makes an oblong circle. We are a mixed middle class neighborhood of 14 year year old homes on 1/3 acre plots.

I am moving to a small town in North Texas of only 25,000 people. I am glad of it. Where I am moving from I never saw a black person, now they are walking up and down my street everyday no telling what for when they were never there before.

I am so glad I don't live in any of these cities.

https://www.escapehere.com/destination/25-most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us-in-2019/

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[Interceptor]

If any of you are confused and wondering how we got to this point..
Checkout the book "The Naked Communist ", by the author Cleon Skousen.
Review the 45 goals of Communist party.
Then look at where we are today. I realize when this book was sold, 1963, may seem ancient to many of you all. Looks like they are succeeding in their goals.

You maybe thinking in 1963 it was a backward time. Full of people that believed in God, family, and law and order. They were, that's before America started on the road to communism, oops I mean socialism.

 

[lateinthegame]

If any of you are confused and wondering how we got to this point..
Checkout the book "The Naked Communist ", by the author Cleon Skousen.
Review the 45 goals of Communist party.
Then look at where we are today. I realize when this book was sold, 1963, may seem ancient to many of you all. Looks like they are succeeding in their goals.

You maybe thinking in 1963 it was a backward time. Full of people that believed in God, family, and law and order. They were, that's before America started on the road to communism, oops I mean socialism.

Here it is in a nutshell. It is scary that most of them have come true or are in progress.

 

[Interceptor]

Here it is in a nutshell. It is scary that most of them have come true or are in progress.

Thanks for posting link

 

[Kong76]

Thanks for the tip. I just put my life savings into Uhaul stock. Gonna go thru the roof when a lot of African Americans in other states decide to move there.

And people like me moving out. I made up my mind to leave Ca several years ago based off of the taxes, executive orders, with Dems having a majority passing any laws they want etc. Also not being able to modify our cars due to CARB. I have to wait till my son graduates high school. I have been through 27 states, lived in Maryland for a year. There are a lot of beautiful states out there.

I'll miss the weather and that's it. I am pretty conservative so no worries of me changing the state I move to.

 

[lateinthegame]

And people like me moving out. I made up my mind to leave Ca several years ago based off of the taxes, executive orders, with Dems having a majority passing any laws they want etc. Also not being able to modify our cars due to CARB.

I'll miss the weather and that's it. I am pretty conservative so no worries of me changing the state I move to.

I do love Ca and I think it is one of the best states to live in. They have the beach, mountains, desert, ocean, trees....beautiful. Just the laws are not the best.

 

[lateinthegame]

After seeing the Atlanta shooting it made me sick. Why would you shoot someone in the back running away. Let him go. You have his car and pick him up later. It is like Rambo all over again. They have to make a rule, I thought there was one already, that you CAN"T!!!! shoot someone in the back. Even in the Old West that was murder. Didn't these guys watch Gunsmoke or Bonanza?

 

[shogun32]

It just sounds like Welfare that they already get.

which by some calculations is already past 5 Trillion dollars. And all we got for that is more welfare and social degeneracy. Maybe we should stop going to the store to buy more welfare. Maybe this time purchase some self-responsibility, personal/individual charity instead...

 

[watisthis]

This is an echo chamber for a lack of critical thinking.

 

[Flimflamman]

After seeing the Atlanta shooting it made me sick. Why would you shoot someone in the back running away. Let him go. You have his car and pick him up later. It is like Rambo all over again. They have to make a rule, I thought there was one already, that you CAN"T!!!! shoot someone in the back. Even in the Old West that was murder. Didn't these guys watch Gunsmoke or Bonanza?

I am not an attorney, this is just my opinion. Maybe a real attorney can chime in and chop me up here. That said...

The reality is the cop (Rolfe), will probably get off relatively easy. Maybe even get to walk away and get his job back, as crazy as that may sound. Or at worst, may get a manslaughter related conviction. That will be appealed... and so on.

He's been with the ATL PD for about 7/8 years, and nothing has surfaced about him having discipline issues (at least not yet). So assuming he has a good record.

IMHO, watching the video, yes he clearly shoots Brooks in the back (as proven by autopsy). That moment took place so fast you can't just flat out call him a murderer. Brooks turns and fires the taser at him and officer Rolfe draws and fires his weapon extremely fast. While tasers aren't considered deadly, they are designed to incapacitate people. The defense will have a very strong rebuttal with that outcome.

All other aspects of the incident aside, if you focus solely on that moment, when Brooks turns and fires the taser, and Rolfe draws and fires his weapon, I think it's a fair to say the officer could have feared for his life during that part of the incident.

Why? Because Brooks already whooped up on their asses prior to that, all the while being tasered who knows how many times. Who's to say, that if that taser shot Brooks takes at Rolfe, even while running away, takes Rolfe down, and he doesn't come back to whoop up on them some more? Maybe even take his service weapon? He already proved he was willing to take the taser... because he did. Circumstantial evidence with that probably.. I dunno.

Like I said earlier, maybe Rolfe should have just let him run off (assuming that is what Brooks would have continued to do). I try to picture myself in that situation, in both peoples shoes (Rolfe and Brooks), and afterwards... I'm thinking, yeah we both ended up making a bad decision.

Did Brooks deserve to get killed? Hell no! Of course not!

Did Rolfe have a right to defend himself at that very moment in time? Yes... but did he overreact? I guess that will ultimately be up to a (grand) jury. And I wouldn't want to be on that jury, TBH.

This incident will certainly be part of police reform in approaching these potential situations.

My condolences to the Brook's family.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

https://reason.com/2020/06/15/was-the-shooting-of-rayshard-brooks-lawful-but-awful/

 

[Interceptor]

When did it become acceptable to shoot someone in the back?
Why was everything calm until the addition officer rolled up?
What caused the change from co-operation to agreesion?

 

[HoosierDaddy]

When did it become acceptable to shoot someone in the back?
Why was everything calm until the addition officer rolled up?
What caused the change from co-operation to agreesion?

Well its been acceptable for POLICE to shoot someone in the back under certain circumstances according to Supreme court rulings: "necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."

So it comes down to did that apply here. He was definitely trying to escape. He had taken a weapon (taser) that has caused the death of ~500 people from an officer. Courts with jurisdiction in that area have ruled that a taser is a deadly weapon when used by a defendant in court cases.

Legally, he may get off based on those facts. It doesn't mean he should have done it. For one, that particular model of taser doesn't appear to be that deadly since the suspect was already hit with (at least one) identical taser of another officer and didn't seem to phase him.

There is plenty of video/audio. I don't see even the slightest clue. Good chance we will never know why he did that. Of course drunk often leads to stupid.

 

[shogun32]

Granted the drunk driver should have submitted to being arrested for DUI (since obviously he did drive from wherever he had been drinking to the Wendy's) but likely thought it was an uncalled for punishment. I would actually agree. Cite him, take his keys till end of shift or just drive him to his sister's place and leave the car in a spot. All would have been zero-conflict and no unnecessary escalation.

I think bigger problem here (aside from the obvious) is the failure of the (2nd?) officer to exercise some situational judgement. Is this yet another side-effect of the "zero tolerance" crap infesting our society where finger-guns or pop-tarts with bites taken out of them are dangerous weapons?

It used to be Officer FRIENDLY, not Officer I'm going to blindly Arrest you for every little stupid thing.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

It used to be Officer FRIENDLY, not Officer I'm going to blindly Arrest you for every little stupid thing.

Again, I am not taking a side on the outcome BUT I don't consider drunk driving a "little stupid thing". He drove there drunk. He appeared drunk, was appropriately given and failed a breathalyzer test. Drunk driving kills lots of people. I would be upset if the police didn't arrest him.