deal breakers

[HGFireHazard]

My Ford Touch. If its standard equipment Im out. Its a nightmare.

The sync technology has been out for a while and even a few years after it came out it wasn't standard across all trim levels so I can't say for certain you're situation is not looking good, but unless you want a very basic Mustang (which you may very well) you might be in trouble.

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[Overboost]

I'm shocked how many people are freaking out about the weight of the car. If it performs better than every S197 car and gets better fuel economy, why would it matter?

I think a major price increase would be the only thing holding me back at this point. I plan on making some changes to my car to hold me over til 2016MY at least, when I plan to pick up an SVT model.

If you haven't used the latest MFT update for 2013, you'd be surprised. Tried it this weekend, it makes a LOT more sense than the original rollouts did. And, if you think it's bad, try the CUE system GM has.

 

[Vickstang]

I'm shocked how many people are freaking out about the weight of the car. If it performs better than every S197 car and gets better fuel economy, why would it matter?

Because it's not just about pure performance numbers. A manufacturer can keep throwing HP at a fat big of a car and still get better performance numbers. At the end of a day a heavy car is still a heavy car and it will drive and feel different than a lighter car, even if it gets from 0-60 or around a track faster.

This is an issue that all manufacturers have been ignoring for years (during the HP wars) and now we have a lot of big heavy cars with very high HP numbers. Yea, performance figure wise they are better than previous generations, but that doesn't mean they have always felt better when driving. Thats why a car like the FR-S and BRZ has been a hit, because even tho its got barely 200hp it's light as hell and provides a great driving experience.

And that's what I'm hoping Ford understands cuz it seems other manufacturers are beginning to get it and downsizing and lightening up their cars.

 

[SStormtrooPer]

I'm shocked how many people are freaking out about the weight of the car. If it performs better than every S197 car and gets better fuel economy, why would it matter?

It’s a shock that people care about the car being overweight?



The Mustang is over 1,000 lbs. heavier than it was in 1965. Its 600-850 lbs. heavier than a Fox depending on the year. Hell, my '88 notch weighs 2914 lbs. with me in it. Believe it or not, some people don’t just buy the car because it says “Mustang” on it. Sure Ford can try and “engineer” the bloat out of it, but I don’t want a 3800 lb. car that feels like a 3700 lb. car. I want a 3200 – 3400 lb. car that feels like a 3200 lb car that doesn’t have to have its suspension design maxed out, and its drive train nearly maxed out so it can pull its fat around.


People care because they want to modify the car and make it better. People care because the true enthusiasts are going back to the roots of the pure driving experience. People care because they want a Mustang that isn't going to be at the bottom of the pack when the Gen 6 Camaro and SRT Cuda come out. People care because they are buying a Mustang not a Town Car. When Henry wouldn’t give his customers options, GM did – they took the lead away from Ford, and Ford never got it back. Almost everyone on this site is talking about weight. Almost everyone on every other Mustang site is talking about weight. Less weight IS what people want.



To defend the fact the Ford “could” work around with the weight is silly, and its not going to fly with the Mustang community. This is the 50th Anniversary Mustang, and Ford needs to listen to its customers.

 

[likeaboss]

No HID headlights or LED taillights. I don't want to see them going backwards in these areas. They have added class to the car even in base V6 trim.

 

[Unchained]

Weight being a deal breaker shouldn't surprise anyone. What does surprise me is some people saying MFT, delayed timeline or worse visibility.

The first two seem relatively minor to me. If you've waited this long for the car I assume its because you think it will be something special and better than the 2014. what's another few months if that's true? The 14's are gonna look pretty dated on the road compared to a 15.

As was said, MFT is much improved with the latest update. It's still not perfect but at least they can continue to push out updates to improve it. This isn't a hardware issue so I see no reason why this would be a deal breaker.

Worse visibility... this is a tough one. If you want a smaller, sleeker and sportier car that is more aerodynamic sometimes this is a necessary sacrifice. A lot of beautiful sports cars have relatively high belt lines and flat rooflines. As long as the car keeps with an overall smaller profile I am ok with this. I used to own a Camaro... it wasnt a deal breaker for me then and I don expect it to be on the S550.

 

[FStephenMasek]

A smashed-down roof, as with the Camaro and Challenger.

 

[Diggitydog]

I have the MFT Update 3.6 version, August 2013, on my 2013 F150 and it is finally to a useable baseline. They were able to resolve almost all of the glitches that I had noticed and agree that there were too many. The MFT is here to stay and it's actually not too bad IMO. Don't believe the reverse hype on it. It will not render the car a dud. Could it be better with more? Sure but overall I'm pleased with the Summer 2013 MFT update.

 

[HGFireHazard]

Weight being a deal breaker shouldn't surprise anyone. What does surprise me is some people saying MFT, delayed timeline or worse visibility.

The first two seem relatively minor to me. If you've waited this long for the car I assume its because you think it will be something special and better than the 2014. what's another few months if that's true? The 14's are gonna look pretty dated on the road compared to a 15.

As was said, MFT is much improved with the latest update. It's still not perfect but at least they can continue to push out updates to improve it. This isn't a hardware issue so I see no reason why this would be a deal breaker.

Worse visibility... this is a tough one. If you want a smaller, sleeker and sportier car that is more aerodynamic sometimes this is a necessary sacrifice. A lot of beautiful sports cars have relatively high belt lines and flat rooflines. As long as the car keeps with an overall smaller profile I am ok with this. I used to own a Camaro... it wasnt a deal breaker for me then and I don expect it to be on the S550.

I'll explain you my reasoning for a late launch being problematic. I don't want to get a car that I can enjoy for probably a month, maybe two if I'm lucky with weather, and then stuff it into storage for winter. I want to get the car and enjoy it all summer. Who really wants to spend that much money and not be able to use what they bought?

The alternative is to consider buying one in spring of 2015. That's a year and a half from today. Personally, I just don't want to wait that long. I guess I don't have the patience of some :shrug:

 

[Calypso]

I agree with you. I'm in FL now but I'm a NY transplant.... if I still had to deal with the winters there I could tell you it would be a deal breaker for 2015 model year. It wouldnt stop me from buy the s550 necssarily but I would just wait until the following year. Why garage it soon after purchase and then find out there's also some first model year issues that crept up after winter because you didn't get to fully break it in.

 

[Dyno]

So, does that mean if the weight stays exactly the same as the 2014 most of you would not consider this a deal breaker?

 

[SStormtrooPer]

So, does that mean if the weight stays exactly the same as the 2014 most of you would not consider this a deal breaker?

For me it needs to LOSE weight, whether it is 100lbs., or 400lbs. preferably more is better, but even 100lbs is a step in the right direction.

I used to be a Mustang guy -- but I am now more of a muscle car guy, and I know Camaro and the Challenger replacement will be shedding weight. I am going to buy the better car.

 

[DarkAgent10]

For me it needs to LOSE weight, whether it is 100lbs., or 400lbs. preferably more is better, but even 100lbs is a step in the right direction.

I used to be a Mustang guy -- but I am now more of a muscle car guy, and I know Camaro and the Challenger replacement will be shedding weight. I am going to buy the better car.

I will also buy the better car, but I sure do hope it's a Mustang as that is by far my preference.

It used to be that guys I knew (and myself) rarely cross shopped but there's so much competition now and cars are so closely matched that they cant just rely on brand loyalty anymore. You even have cars in whole other segments stealing buyers that may have bought a pony car years ago because there weren't as many choices. Just not the case anymore.

 

[Allerick]

I can understand why weight is a big deal. It would be a real let down if the S550 doesn't lose weight, but I'm not certain it would be a deal breaker. For me the styling is definitely a deal breaker. If I don't like the way it looks then there is no way I would go for it. This is also true on the inside. I want the car to feel more sporty and nimble (I know this means lose weight). I am not going to assume that a disappointing amount of weight loss is definitely going to mean that it handles like a boat. If it does handle like a boat then I'm out, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions when they announce the weight.

As much as I would like to say that the handling was a total deal breaker I'm not sure I can. I know that if they gave it a sleek sporty exterior with a better driving position and interior styling it would be hard for me to turn down. For me the aesthetics of a sports car are nearly as important as the performance. I don't plan to track it. Sure I don't want it to feel slow at all. Performance is still important, but I would never buy a sports car that I didn't love the look and feel of. Sadly that is why I would never buy a Porshe. They are amazing performance cars, but I hate the way they look.

 

[shelby1k]

The good thing about exterior design is that it can (and often does) grow on you, especially if it is a solid performer. I imagine many Fox owners bought them in spite of its looks, not because of it. Granted design has come a long way and cars back then were all pretty hurtin' in styling IMO.

I think the safer bet is if Ford doesn't overstyle the new Mustang... which they haven't for the first model year of a redesign like the relatively plain looking 79, 94, 05's and let the aftermarket do its thing. Give the people some good bones to play with and customize how they see fit, then there will be few(er) that consider the design a deal breaker.

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