California Meth/Injection Question

[nnnnnn]

So I live in California and as of this month, I had a Roush Phase 2 installed in my 2016 Mustang GT. I don't trust the 91 octane here in California, I live in Norcal area and I have no access to e85 anyway. I really don't want engine knock, engine failure from bad gas or timing being pulled.

I want to go with a water/methanol injection system and run it. Once installed, I'll have the car tuned by PBD most likely. With that said, I see that Snow Performance has their Stage 2 system and I think that is 50 state legal? Maybe? The Aquamist system is said to be better than Snow's system due to the failsafes in it. If I purchase and install the aquamist one, is that california legal? Or I'm pretty much stuck with the Snow System for California?

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[illtal]

So I live in California and as of this month, I had a Roush Phase 2 installed in my 2016 Mustang GT. I don't trust the 91 octane here in California, I live in Norcal, Redding area and I have no access to e85 anyway. I really don't want engine knock, engine failure from bad gas or timing being pulled.

I want to go with a water/methanol injection system and run it. Once installed, I'll have the car tuned by PBD most likely. With that said, I see that Snow Performance has their Stage 2 system and I think that is 50 state legal? Maybe? The Aquamist system is said to be better than Snow's system due to the failsafes in it. If I purchase and install the aquamist one, is that california legal? Or I'm pretty much stuck with the Snow System for California?

If you're looking for a carb exempt sticker you won't find one on any system by any manufacturer. As far as I know spraying water and/water+meth is not illegal there because it is not used for fuel. Ask @Jackson1320, he knows more about the cali way.

 

[nnnnnn]

If you're looking for a carb exempt sticker you won't find one on any system by any manufacturer. As far as I know spraying water and/water+meth is not illegal there because it is not used for fuel. Ask @Jackson1320, he knows more about the cali way.

Crazy enough after digging, I discovered that one chevron location in a 60 mile radius has e85 and that one station is about 12 miles away from me so perfect. 6 months ago, that wasn't the case when I searched.

 

[Slopoke]

I did a little research and came across a Motortrend article talking about diesel water kits and CA CARB EO approval. At the time the article was written, AEM was the only one with a CARB EO number. The article then referenced that they would have to get another CARB EO number for a methanol system.

So if the system or kit doesen't have a CARB EO number. It's my belief that it would not be technically California legal. You could always install one and remove it prior to a SMOG check, which would be simple enough.

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/1210or-aem-50-state-legal-water-injection-kit/

 

[nnnnnn]

I did a little research and came across a Motortrend article talking about diesel water kits and CA CARB EO approval. At the time the article was written, AEM was the only one with a CARB EO number. The article then referenced that they would have to get another CARB EO number for a methanol system.

So if the system or kit doesen't have a CARB EO number. It's my belief that it would not be technically California legal. You could always install one and remove it prior to a SMOG check, which would be simple enough.

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/1210or-aem-50-state-legal-water-injection-kit/

yea replacing it with water before smog sounds like a good way to solve the issue. I dug on the web and found a 2006 old forum link where people basically said smog never goes above 2500 rpm and the meth will not kick in at that point so for Cali, it wouldn't be an issue. So obviously it has to be tuned.

 

[illtal]

yea replacing it with water before smog sounds like a good way to solve the issue. I dug on the web and found a 2006 old forum link where people basically said smog never goes above 2500 rpm and the meth will not kick in at that point so for Cali, it wouldn't be an issue. So obviously it has to be tuned.

I wouldn't tune for methanol, if you run out ( and you will), it will cause a detonation/fueling problem. You want to tune for 93 with no meth, and use the methanol for overhead.

Also most of them are activated with a pressure switch. So as long as you stay in vacuum of some amount of boost lower than what it's set to engage at you'll be fine.

 

[illtal]

Crazy enough after digging, I discovered that one chevron location in a 60 mile radius has e85 and that one station is about 12 miles away from me so perfect. 6 months ago, that wasn't the case when I searched.

Go E then baby! Nothing beats having alcohols as primary fueling.

 

[moffetts]

The PBD tune isn't going to be legal, irrespective of what meth system you use.

 

[Proshop]

Go E then baby! Nothing beats having alcohols as primary fueling.

Why not do both?
https://www.fordmuscle.com/tech-sto...-burning-coyote-with-water-meth-yields-50-hp/

 

[andrewtac]

Why not do both?
https://www.fordmuscle.com/tech-sto...-burning-coyote-with-water-meth-yields-50-hp/

That's what I do, for IAT reduction. Unfortunately my last log didn't record, and probably won't make it back until it is to cold to matter.

 

[Proshop]

That's what I do, for IAT reduction. Unfortunately my last log didn't record, and probably won't make it back until it is to cold to matter.

What kit do you run and what F/I kit?

 

[andrewtac]

What kit do you run and what F/I kit?

Snow 2.5, just upgraded to dual nozzle (2x9gph nozzle, probably to much but will see but a single 16 wasn't enough). It starts at 6psi and ramps to 10. Everything else in signature.

 

[nnnnnn]

Snow 2.5, just upgraded to dual nozzle (2x9gph nozzle, probably to much but will see but a single 16 wasn't enough). It starts at 6psi and ramps to 10. Everything else in signature.

Did you dyno with e85 separataely and then with e85 and meth kit? It's looking like I'm going to combine both

 

[andrewtac]

Did you dyno with e85 separataely and then with e85 and meth kit? It's looking like I'm going to combine both

I have not, but next time I go will do some back to back pulls.

Also at the track will even get back to back runs; with the weather cooling down will be able to see affect on power.

 

[illtal]

Why not do both?
https://www.fordmuscle.com/tech-sto...-burning-coyote-with-water-meth-yields-50-hp/

you can do both nothing wrong with it. I use mine with 93 only since i'm not racing.

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