How do the PP Pirellis compare to the Michelins that used to come on the car?

[LeroyJohsan]

It looks like 21 PP cars now come with P Zero summers instead of Michelin’s. How do they compare? Is it a downgrade?

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[Ecoboosted]

Yep down grade. Michelin’s are much better.

 

[WildHorse]

First off 99.7% of you's can't throw a car into a corner hard enough to notice any difference in performance between the two. Haha.

 

[WildHorse]

0.3٪ here

I salute you Sir.

 

[young at heart]

Hey guys,

P Zeros came on my 2020 GT. What is this P Zero Nero I keep hearing about? And in any event, do my tires suck? I remember a few years ago when they were considered pretty good; they even came stock on Porsches. I drive the car pretty aggressively and so far haven’t noticed any shortcomings.

And I’m sorry but WTH is a summer vs winter tire? Which are mine? Here in the Deep South we think of winter tires as having metal studs. My 4WD SUV has all seasons and they seem to do the job as well.

 

[Dave2013M3]

First off 99.7% of you's can't throw a car into a corner hard enough to notice any difference in performance between the two. Haha.

This!!

 

[mike3105]

On UK roads at least (lower temps and wetter) you can 100% tell the difference between MPS4S and PZeros. The PZeros are the worst "performance" tyres I've ever experienced. It is noticeable at legal road speeds for me.

 

[Roadway 5.0]

First off 99.7% of you's can't throw a car into a corner hard enough to notice any difference in performance between the two. Haha.

Cornering grip isn’t a tire’s sole measure of performance.

The Michelin’s steering is significantly more responsive — it’s both better weighted and engaging at initial turn-in as well as during mid-turn where the feedback is premier. On-center feel is the best on the market and has been for years. The Michelin also responds to bumps in the road better with much less aftershock following an impact.

The Pirellis are dead on center in my opinion, but are still decent feedback tires once you get them warm and in the turn. The ride is more regal, quiet, and luxurious than the sporty Michelins, however the Pirellis do suffer from aftershocks, or more “bounce”, following small impacts and waves in the road.

Steering feel is and has always been a key factor for me. I use Michelins because of this.

 

[Brian@BMVK]

It looks like 21 PP cars now come with P Zero summers instead of Michelin’s. How do they compare? Is it a downgrade?

Which P zero, specifically? If the normal P zero, they're a pretty sizable downgrade. The PZ4 is definitely better than that as is the Corsa. PS4S still king for street summer tire.

 

[Brian@BMVK]

Hey guys,

P Zeros came on my 2020 GT. What is this P Zero Nero I keep hearing about? And in any event, do my tires suck? I remember a few years ago when they were considered pretty good; they even came stock on Porsches. I drive the car pretty aggressively and so far haven’t noticed any shortcomings.

And I’m sorry but WTH is a summer vs winter tire? Which are mine? Here in the Deep South we think of winter tires as having metal studs. My 4WD SUV has all seasons and they seem to do the job as well.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw3LwV084oYDHotCjfx0f9f8

 

[young at heart]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw3LwV084oYDHotCjfx0f9f8

Sorry, link went nowhere.

 

[Bikeman315]

OMG, here we go again. Everyone discussing the P Zero that came on older S550’s PP1 cars. Has anyone driven a 21’ with the current P Zero’s? Do we know if they are the same? Can someone who has a 21’ PP please chime in?

 

[rxryanm]

Sorry, link went nowhere.

It’s supposed to route through letmegooglethatforyou, but it didn’t work for me either. It’s a way of saying “Your questions can be answered by googling, go do that first.”

The one you can’t google, about your P Zeros sucking, was answered before you even asked.

 

[Bikeman315]

The one you can’t google, about your P Zeros sucking, was answered before you even asked.

So you have driven a 21’ with them? If you haven’t then your comment belongs with the others who really don’t know.

 

[rxryanm]

So you have driven a 21’ with them? If you haven’t then your comment belongs with the others who really don’t know.

Have you? Go quote someone else who actually said they suck. I just quoted the guy who asked a question using his own words and telling him to look at what others have said, which he obviously didn't do.

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