Because We Really, Really Need Another EV/Mach-E Thread

[MD18EcoStang]

It might be nicer to drive than a 2014 Fusion hybrid. I wouldn't be interested in purchasing a Fusion or a hybrid either.

Edit: I should answer your question. Why not? It doesn't have a manual transmission. It's too big and heavy. It's too expensive for what you get. It is high up off the ground. I don't want to have to spend money to rewire my garage for something like that. I really can't think of anything desirable about it other than since it's a new car it's probably more enjoyable to drive than some old cars.

I meant it rhetorically, like why should I not want one, but I'm glad you got that off your chest! I bet the MME makes a better taxi than a low-to-the-ground 6G Mustang with a manual transmission... I think that was the starting point of this thread!

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[ICU812]

Well, a long range MME is 91KWh. I'd be surprised if you need more than 500w or so to keep that space warm. The heater can use up to 4KW on startup. Even at full power it would use about 1/3 the pack in a full shift. At city speeds and distances I wouldn't be surprised to get through a day on a charge. Worst case is you top off at a charger during lunch or pick up a bit of charge between rides.

Cabs the doors open and shut allot more than you going on a trip to mothers for Christmas.
It isn't going to work. Without a snap in, snap out battery.
Does any battery you've ever have last as long as it did as new, as it ages or tool, what have you is used.
No they don't. ev's will not be any different.
Heaters use more power as they get hours on them, blower motors,etc.
You can't have 15 minutes of charge left and have to get to the other end of a major city like N.Y.C. that take you 40 minutes off peak and 75 minutes on peak.

 

[Hack]

Performance SUVs are a little less soul crushing while transporting the kids, etc.

I agree with that. If you have more than 2 kids or your kids are too big to fit into a fun car, then maybe a performance SUV makes sense. If I needed a ton of room, I'd by far prefer a wagon over an SUV though. SUV and performance are conflicting IMO because performance means light and low whereas SUV means high and heavy.

I was considering a Porsche Macan, because someone online said it was more like a hot hatch than an SUV, but then I saw that the Macan weighs ~4,200 lbs. Too porky for me.

 

[Hack]

I meant it rhetorically, like why should I not want one, but I'm glad you got that off your chest! I bet the MME makes a better taxi than a low-to-the-ground 6G Mustang with a manual transmission... I think that was the starting point of this thread!

No I agree a taxi is perfect use case for a MME. Being high up it's easy to get in and out even if you have a large bag or something you are carrying. Plenty of room, too.

And you don't want a cabby driving fast, so an SUV makes sense from that standpoint as well.

Plus it's annoying having taxis idling and smoking up high traffic areas. Another reason for electric taxis.

But none of those things make me want to buy one. I don't want any car that makes sense to use as a taxi.

 

[MD18EcoStang]

But none of those things make me want to buy one. I don't want any car that makes sense to use as a taxi.

Lol, me neither... it's just that sometimes I need one!

 

[Bikeman315]

Lol, me neither... it's just that sometimes I need one!

Well…….

 

[MD18EcoStang]

Well…….

I'd hate to see the meter spin in that one! Also, my family would be upset that I left them standing at the curb with all the luggage!

 

[Interceptor]

Observation:
I lot of the arguments about EVs, I heard the same, years ago about SUVs. Just different wording.
Electric vehicles are the future.
Driverless vehicles are the future.

 

[Hack]

Observation:
I lot of the arguments about EVs, I heard the same, years ago about SUVs. Just different wording.
Electric vehicles are the future.
Driverless vehicles are the future.

I'm glad I'm old so I won't have to live too far into that particular dystopian future. I have no problem with electric vehicles unless I live in a place that forces me to buy one. I don't mind driverless vehicles either. Traffic will probably run smoother.

Reality is - if the future goes as you are predicting - the future will probably be most people can't afford their own vehicle. I doubt driverless electric vehicles will be cheap, even if their top speed is 50 mph. Especially if they can handle MN winters when you have to be able to guess where the lanes are at times, and the car has to handle stop and go for long distances with heat and defrost blasting away.

 

[theruleslawyer]

Reality is - if the future goes as you are predicting - the future will probably be most people can't afford their own vehicle. I doubt driverless electric vehicles will be cheap, even if their top speed is 50 mph. Especially if they can handle MN winters when you have to be able to guess where the lanes are at times, and the car has to handle stop and go for long distances with heat and defrost blasting away.

FWIW BEVs are expected to hit price parity with ICE about 2025-26 and will be cheaper to produce in the long run. A lot less parts are required. Not sure if those were prepandemic estimates or not.

 

[Hack]

FWIW BEVs are expected to hit price parity with ICE about 2025-26 and will be cheaper to produce in the long run. A lot less parts are required. Not sure if those were prepandemic estimates or not.

So you are saying that you think the price of a car is going to go down?

Have you seen a lot of that in the past? Or is this what an "expert" is saying?

My personal experience with car prices says they go up only. Unless maybe if people stop buying cars, then maybe the prices will come down. But what is happening so far is people just take longer loans rather than buying something they can actually afford. So there typically doesn't seem to be much pressure driving car prices downward.

 

[theruleslawyer]

So you are saying that you think the price of a car is going to go down?

Have you seen a lot of that in the past? Or is this what an "expert" is saying?

My personal experience with car prices says they go up only. Unless maybe if people stop buying cars, then maybe the prices will come down. But what is happening so far is people just take longer loans rather than buying something they can actually afford. So there typically doesn't seem to be much pressure driving car prices downward.

Only relative to ICE vehicles. Inflation, taxes etc will probably ensure that absolute prices go up. The estimations are also about manufacturing costs, not consumer prices.

 

[Hack]

Only relative to ICE vehicles. Inflation, taxes etc will probably ensure that absolute prices go up. The estimations are also about manufacturing costs, not consumer prices.

I agree with that stuff. EVs will probably become more profitable. And who knows? Maybe the prices will come down. But I think it's more likely that all car prices will continue to rise.

 

[Interceptor]

In the name of "climate change" car ownership will be frowned upon. Once driverless cars are capable to operate.
You will have an app, to summon your transportation to desired location. Then use your app to return.

 

[Cobra Jet]

NYPD just bought 184 of them...

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