Because We Really, Really Need Another EV/Mach-E Thread

[Bikeman315]

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Ford Mustang Mach-E Taxis Hit the Streets of NYC

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[ICU812]

Wonder how long it take in winter to drain a fully charged battery in a taxi , that is running none stop.
2/3 hours of use and need 12+ hours to recharge.
They need to build a fleet ev type car like the checker did decades ago, but this time with the idea of cordless tools, an snap in, snap out battery pack, that you can swap at the taxi home base . and be back on the road in a few minutes with a "fresh" battery.
The oem that builds this will take over inner city taxi, cop/etc vehicle fleets

 

[Interceptor]

Not well educated on this subject, so pardon my ignorance.

They will do well in the city since average top speed will be 25-30 mph. Alot of stopping, creeping. I would think this would be low power drain on batteries. Quick acceleration from lights may be a problem.

Concerning the colds reaction to batteries, remember the cabs will be in use and the thermal energy will keeps batteries warm

 

[ICU812]

Not well educated on this subject, so pardon my ignorance.

They will do well in the city since average top speed will be 25-30 mph. Alot of stopping, creeping. I would think this would be low power drain on batteries. Quick acceleration from lights may be a problem.

Concerning the colds reaction to batteries, remember the cabs will be in use and the thermal energy will keeps batteries warm

The humans IN the cab will want the heater going, that will drain a battery fast.

 

[Hack]

I like the idea of electric vehicles being used in a big city as taxis. Whether it's economically viable long term and whether the vehicles will hold up or work as well as ICE taxis - I don't know.

It will probably also be great for Ford - the vehicles will get a lot of use very quickly and Ford will learn a lot about what goes wrong over time. My assumption is Ford probably gave the taxi company a sweet deal on the cars.

 

[theruleslawyer]

The humans IN the cab will want the heater going, that will drain a battery fast.

Well, a long range MME is 91KWh. I'd be surprised if you need more than 500w or so to keep that space warm. The heater can use up to 4KW on startup. Even at full power it would use about 1/3 the pack in a full shift. At city speeds and distances I wouldn't be surprised to get through a day on a charge. Worst case is you top off at a charger during lunch or pick up a bit of charge between rides.

 

[MD18EcoStang]

Not well educated on this subject, so pardon my ignorance.

They will do well in the city since average top speed will be 25-30 mph. Alot of stopping, creeping. I would think this would be low power drain on batteries. Quick acceleration from lights may be a problem.

Concerning the colds reaction to batteries, remember the cabs will be in use and the thermal energy will keeps batteries warm

I'm not sure using batteries to warm batteries in order to extend battery life is really a thing. My only personal experience is with my Fusion Hybrids, so of course, not exactly the same.

 

[shogun32]

I like the idea of electric vehicles being used in a big city as taxis. Whether it's economically viable long term and whether the vehicles will hold up or work as well as ICE taxis - I don't know.

In Japan taxi were mandated to be LPGas. EV taxi in such locations as NYC, DC, LA, Chicago and other high-density cities makes perfect sense. A ton of time spent going nowhere in bumper to bumper traffic. Furious acceleration for 1/8 of a block at a time. A large pool of vehicles and known 'idle' location where just 15-20min charge can provide value.

The 'problem' with EV taxis is they are crazy expensive to purchase compared to the thrice warmed over jalopies employed by Yellow Cab etc. Though maybe Tesla will get a clue and 'rework' used up Model 3 into taxi duty by changing the battery management.

 

[shogun32]

'm not sure using batteries to warm batteries in order to extend battery life is really a thing.

A warm pack is an efficient pack and is able to extract considerably more energy out of storage. The pack must not drop below freezing. If you're not discharging it enough to generate sufficient heat the pack will turn on a heater to keep the pack warm. Though in that situation it is using more energy to provide warmth than you'd net from it being warm(er).

 

[MD18EcoStang]

A warm pack is an efficient pack and is able to extract considerably more energy out of storage. The pack must not drop below freezing. If you're not discharging it enough to generate sufficient heat the pack will turn on a heater to keep the pack warm. Though in that situation it is using more energy to provide warmth than you'd net from it being warm(er).

That was more or less my point. My hybrid efficiency drops significantly when cold. Battery is expended even faster if I use it to generate heat, so I usually wait for the ICE to reach operating temp before turning on the heat. Of course, that's not an option with an EV. Btw, I'd love to have a MME, but I'd completely de-pony that sucker!

 

[Hack]

Btw, I'd love to have a MME

Why?

 

[MD18EcoStang]

Why?

Why not? I'm not saying I'd want to replace my Mustang with one, but I bet it would be nicer to drive than my 14 Fusion Hybrid.

 

[theruleslawyer]

Why?

The only thing really wrong with it is the name. Otherwise its a very nice performance SUV. Its more a cross shop with something like a sq5, x3 m40i, gv70, etc.

 

[Hack]

Why not? I'm not saying I'd want to replace my Mustang with one, but I bet it would be nicer to drive than my 14 Fusion Hybrid.

It might be nicer to drive than a 2014 Fusion hybrid. I wouldn't be interested in purchasing a Fusion or a hybrid either.

Edit: I should answer your question. Why not? It doesn't have a manual transmission. It's too big and heavy. It's too expensive for what you get. It is high up off the ground. I don't want to have to spend money to rewire my garage for something like that. I really can't think of anything desirable about it other than since it's a new car it's probably more enjoyable to drive than some old cars.

The only thing really wrong with it is the name. Otherwise its a very nice performance SUV. Its more a cross shop with something like a sq5, x3 m40i, gv70, etc.

So you think that people should want a "performance" SUV? Asking for a friend.

 

[theruleslawyer]

So you think that people should want a "performance" SUV? Asking for a friend.

Well, its a thing and it sells. "Should" is kinda subjective. Nobody needs one, or a mustang GT either. Some people have to buy a bigger car because of life stuff. Performance SUVs are a little less soul crushing while transporting the kids, etc.

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