Another shake up at Ford

[tcman54]

Tired of car companies fleecing the american male with bigger more expensive over wrought trucks everyday, enough all ready

And yeah I have been in a bad mood all day, so sue me.

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[Strokerswild]

Agreed, although it's their cash cow.

I'm one of the few that doesn't think a new truck needs to be a rolling tablet. Some of the fluff that's in my '19 F150 is nonsense.

 

[NoVaGT]

I was just having a conversation about the cost of trucks on another forum.

Trucks have gone full retard over the last 30 years, with their offerings and pricing. When you factor in 30 years of inflation, they have gotten so damn expensive, it's a pathetic joke.
There are still people that would like a basic pick-up. Even roll-up windows and a basic radio/HVAC is desired for some, they just want a rugged, reliable truck that doesn't cost an arm & a leg.

In 1990 the basic F150 started at $10,366, which would be $20,614.46 in today's money. The cheapest 2020 F150 starts at $28,745.00 today.

 

[shogun32]

I'm one of the few that doesn't think a new truck needs to be a rolling tablet. Some of the fluff that's in my '19 F150 is nonsense.

I'm relishing the manual knobs that turn the temp up and down and fan speed too. And can you believe it NO automatic temperature controls!!! None of this set it to 73dF and let the computer half-ass it, crap.

Uber recently disclosed their 2.5B investment in 'autonomous' has gone absolutely nowhere and has nothing to show for it. Hey Ford, learn from other's mistakes. You people in Detroit aren't a tenth as savvy or smart as the programmer types in sanctimonious Commie-fornia. So quit while you're ahead.

 

[Strokerswild]

I was just having a conversation about the cost of trucks on another forum.

Trucks have gone full retard over the last 30 years, with their offerings and pricing. When you factor in 30 years of inflation, they have gotten so damn expensive, it's a pathetic joke.
There are still people that would like a basic pick-up. Even roll-up windows and a basic radio/HVAC is desired for some, they just want a rugged, reliable truck that doesn't cost an arm & a leg.

In 1990 the basic F150 started at $10,366, which would be $20,614.46 in today's money. The cheapest 2020 F150 starts at $28,745.00 today.

Agreed.

My '19 stickered for almost $44K, and it's just an XLT RCSB 4X4 with cloth seats with the 5.0/A10. Granted, incentives knocked off almost $10K at the time, but still it's a ridiculous amount of money. They haven't improved the build quality since I bought my last one new in 2004. If anything certain things got cheesier, notably the interior.

Mine's not super fancy considering that list price, it has just the things I want and need. The only thing I truly hate about it is the stupid, useless touchscreen, give me a basic radio with a single CD player and an auxiliary input. FFS, it's a truck.

 

[NoVaGT]

I'm relishing the manual knobs that turn the temp up and down and fan speed too. And can you believe it NO automatic temperature controls!!! None of this set it to 73dF and let the computer half-ass it, crap.

Uber recently disclosed their 2.5B investment in 'autonomous' has gone absolutely nowhere and has nothing to show for it. Hey Ford, learn from other's mistakes. You people in Detroit aren't a tenth as savvy or smart as the programmer types in sanctimonious Commie-fornia. So quit while you're ahead.

Dearborn sure is far removed from the reality of what customers actually want. Or to put it another way, they simply offer too many packages and not enough singular options.

On a GT, 301A should be the base. Be the same price as the 300A. But it should also have manual HVAC controls, as I for one prefer that to automated climate controls. That's where the Mustang price/value line should be starting. The price for the PP1 is a joke now, and their $1,100.00 shipping is also a joke.

This will probably be my last Mustang, they're just getting too expensive for what you get, when you factor in inflation. Ford is simply getting too greedy.

 

[Strokerswild]

Dearborn sure is far removed from the reality of what customers actually want. Or to put it another way, they simply offer too many packages and not enough singular options.

This.

I hate all-encompassing packages, especially when you only want maybe one thing out of the bunch. Jeep has the ala carte thing figured out with the Wrangler, pick and choose what you want as it should be.

 

[peoples1234]

They build them that way because people buy them that way....to the tune of one every 29.3 seconds or so (F-Series in 2018-arguably less now).

 

[Cobra Jet]

People are willing to lay almost $100k for a truck OR car - so it’s now the new normal... so if the public is willing to pay exorbitant amounts, the vehicle manufacturers will keep on building with exorbitant price tags.

What’s going to be funny is when those circuit boards and solder joints in various modules of $100k+ vehicles start failing... or better yet when the manufactures then want to charge the buyer fees to use certain features of the vehicle... it’s coming...

You think MS Winblows software glitches are a PIA on your devices or PC’s, have fun with future auto tech when it’s going to be reliant on the same architecture.

 

[Rapid Red]

This.

I hate all-encompassing packages, especially when you only want maybe one thing out of the bunch. Jeep has the ala carte thing figured out with the Wrangler, pick and choose what you want as it should be.

I found the Mustang that way, my ala carte menu was performance . GM, Dodge & Jeep, dress up options, that included some performance.

Ford does a way much better job on the whoop ass.

 

[shogun32]

or better yet when the manufactures then want to charge the buyer fees to use certain features of the vehicle... it’s coming...

I am surprised this isn't already the norm. Every car identical, has every feature and the hardware installed. Though if it was just a forscan update away from turning everything on, that wouldn't allow the 500% markups. Something like a feature key (hw dongle?) that's cryptographically locked to the BCM or something.

Ford at least had the intelligence to use BlackBerry's QNX.

 

[tcman54]

lol, had to look up FORScan..

https://forscan.org/home.html

 

[Louk]

I was just having a conversation about the cost of trucks on another forum.

Trucks have gone full retard over the last 30 years, with their offerings and pricing. When you factor in 30 years of inflation, they have gotten so damn expensive, it's a pathetic joke.
There are still people that would like a basic pick-up. Even roll-up windows and a basic radio/HVAC is desired for some, they just want a rugged, reliable truck that doesn't cost an arm & a leg.

In 1990 the basic F150 started at $10,366, which would be $20,614.46 in today's money. The cheapest 2020 F150 starts at $28,745.00 today.

While I agree that truck prices have gone up substantially, the difference between the 20 grand and 28 could be summarized in all the extra fuel efficiency, safety, less maintenance. The list goes on and on. Simply factoring in inflation just says today’s dollars for the same thing like a gallon of milk. The milk is the same as it was 30 years ago. The car has changed a million times over.

 

[Stage_3]

Just to put it in perspective,..............lol
My 2016 Ram Sport 4X4, rcsb, (regular cab/short bed), that I ordered back in late November stickers at over 44k. For a regular cab/short bed 4X4, which you don't see often which why I just ordered it the way I wanted. Not even fully loaded either. Only option I didn't get was the "convenience group" package, which I wish I got, but it was like 3,500 bucks extra at the time. lol

 

[fmc_smt]

People are willing to lay almost $100k for a truck OR car - so it’s now the new normal... so if the public is willing to pay exorbitant amounts, the vehicle manufacturers will keep on building with exorbitant price tags.

What’s going to be funny is when those circuit boards and solder joints in various modules of $100k+ vehicles start failing... or better yet when the manufactures then want to charge the buyer fees to use certain features of the vehicle... it’s coming...

You think MS Winblows software glitches are a PIA on your devices or PC’s, have fun with future auto tech when it’s going to be reliant on the same architecture.

Being a Ford tech , we are already there

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