Adventures In Oil Changes

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DANG, stepped in here looking to score a RockAuto coupon for oil and filters and fully Econ lectured. Enjoyed it, good stuff.

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[friedmud]

then the ENTIRE (fast) food industry is a gone'r and also every gas station. Its not the purpose of gov't to decree what is and what isn't a "liveable" wage. Gov't job is to make the LEAST interference in the private exchange of labor for wages, and keep regulatory costs to the absolute bare minimum - which many a state and city has turned on it's head. And then wonders why mysteriously business are folding, or can't pay the so-called "liveable" wage.

Patrons of business decide for themselves if the value of the product/service is worth their own money. If because of forcible labor and regulatory costs the prices are too high, the business tanks for lack of sales. Your position is incredibly naive and smacks of not having run a business.

What makes you think that since one person (or many) can't make it work in the then current environment that someone else is going to necessarily succeed? True, they might. By employing illegal immigrants or paying under the table. Or using ingredients from god knows where with fraudulent certifications. Or the more common approach, getting rid of the meatspace entirely and buying robots and electronic kiosks. Now even the 'minimum' wage people have NO jobs at all.

The coffee shops didn't leave Seattle because they are tight-fisted Republicans and they weren't about to accept only 22% returns instead of the fat 30% they were getting before by exploiting the local workforce. They left because the city declared war on their business' outright survival. As business owners they like to be able to afford to pay themselves and put food on their own tables.

We were 'taught' this lesson in a big way with the ACA nonsense. The gov't can try to 'force' an outcome but until they legalize conscription labor and slavery again, the result will be that business folds, cuts employees, or moves somewhere else the long arm of the statist policies can be side-stepped.

The government does have a role in making sure that people are not exploited. People with money command a lot of power over those without it. The government should be there as a backstop to make sure that doesn’t get out of hand. What do you think the minimum wage is for? Why was it initially created if not to make sure that all Americans are given a fair wage they can live off of? Why do we have OSHA, etc? Where did all of these labor laws come from in the first place?

YOU seem to be incredibly naive about just how awful people in positions of power (like bosses and business owners) can be if they’re allowed.

“Patrons of business decide for themselves if the value of the product/service is worth their own money.” - and the people working there have no say? They just _have_ to flip your burger for pennies “or else”?

“What makes you think that since one person (or many) can't make it work in the then current environment that someone else is going to necessarily succeed?” - This is America, come up with a new way to run the business - make it more efficient - maybe take less profits at the top.

Again: if the business cannot survive unless the people at the bottom are serfs living in a gutter: then that business does NOT need to exist. The owner/boss doesn’t inherently get to live a good life while the people who make their business actually work have to live in squalor.

Note: I am in no way saying that an owner/boss cannot make more than the people working for the business… nothing wrong with that (it was their idea or their risk etc.). However: I DO NOT think it’s right for business owners to live well while their employees struggle for life.

“The gov't can try to 'force' an outcome but until they legalize conscription labor and slavery again, the result will be that business folds, cuts employees, or moves somewhere else the long arm of the statist policies can be side-stepped.” - I hope I’m misinterpreting… but it sounds like you’re advocating for slavery/conscription? I guess it does go along with everything else you’ve been saying.

 

[shogun32]

What do you think the minimum wage is for? Why was it initially created if not to make sure that all Americans are given a fair wage they can live off of?

dude, seriously? Pick up a history text book, if there are any honest ones left.

 

[BleedNBlue]

extra government money.

Ha, the government does not have any money. It is tax payer money. And there is no extra.

 

[K4fxd]

Whatever min wage is that is zero. I went to McDonalds today. I got a qtr pounder and my granddaughter got a Big Mac. 18 bucks, I will not go back.

Two months ago we got the same things and it was 11 and I though that was too much.

 

[sk47]

Ha, the government does not have any money. It is tax payer money. And there is no extra.

Hello; Yes to this. I meant extra money in the hands of the one getting it. It is taxpayer money either from current taxes and more an more on the federal credit card.

I use to know what it cost the government to spend a dollar. It was like several times as much. Say four dollars used to spend one dollar just to illustrate. It could be more or less.

 

[TheSnowmanMafia]

Is this another thread where people complain about the government ruining living costs while owning an expensive car...?

I came here to figure out how people deal with the 10 qts of oil gushing out of drain plug and instead went to make popcorn.

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