ADM and Tesla

[Rags]

First like most I'm sick of the ADM conversation, but the poster named the tread ADM and Tesla. If you don't like the conversation, don't open the thread. Oh man I opened it! What I didn't mean too, but like reality TV I'm pulled into the madness. hahaha

But I do agree we should ban anymore ADM threads. Just add to the existing rants. No need to compare Ford to Tesla. I think that's more of a way to start a non GT350 conversation or get under some skin.

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[thaext]

The difference is that the supply of GT350s is limited and the supply of Hellcats no longer is limited. FCA doesn't care what the selling price of a Hellcat is - it cares that cars aren't getting sold. So, as long as a dealer doesn't have a Hellcat sitting on the lot (for any reason, including ADM), the dealer will qualify for his next allocation.



The dealers are all independent business people, and what Chrysler has done is as far as a manufacturer can go - especially since suppliers after a year finally have ramped up their production of Hellcat parts and FCA now can sell as many Hellcats as it can build.

Let us know when you get your not-for-profit dealership open.

To your first point, the hellcat production ended up being "limited" in the sense that only like 3k were produced with the extra 1k that Dodge promised to make. I don't know if you paid attention to what happened when the 13 gt500 was announced, but when I stopped at car dealers, they had plenty sitting on lots, and the gt500 was "limited". It was mentioned in another thread, a majority of the population cannot afford a 60k mustang. So, there will be plenty of cars for the picking once the initial rush dies down. If you don't believe me, just search autotrader for the 50th anniversary edition. Those were more limited, cause there was only 1962 produced (two of em were totaled), and there's plenty of supply of that.

Second point, there are only a handful amount of car dealers that are honest, don't pull the bullshit that most do, and mine will be one like that.

 

[L8APEX]

I can't believe people somehow defend ADM, saying to expect it. What a joke. You're literally paying for nothing, and pissing away $5k+ to the dealer. Ford gets none of that. The guy you dealt with, who knows absolutely nothing about the car besides he can gouge the price, gets that cash. Not the company that designed it.

Those filthy capitalists.

 

[DrumReaper]

Did you read that link? It says right in it that Tesla's loans were unrelated to TARP (i.e., the government bailout).

Also, it is impossible for Tesla to charge an ADM since they don't have dealers.

Hmm, no one mentioned TARP... If it were related to TARP I could understand the concern but the fact that TARP happened, which was a fiasco with GM, the Obama admin didn't learn and went right ahead and injected $500mil into a struggling company.

As for ADM, I was merely adding to the OP's statement. Even if Tesla had dealers they would have absolutely no right to ask for an ADM.

And to your statement regarding Ford... Ummmm, no... Ford didn't take a bailout.

 

[Blk2015GT]

I can't believe people somehow defend ADM, saying to expect it. What a joke. You're literally paying for nothing, and pissing away $5k+ to the dealer. Ford gets none of that. The guy you dealt with, who knows absolutely nothing about the car besides he can gouge the price, gets that cash. Not the company that designed it.

why would anyone want Ford to get it to begin with? That makes no sense. I'd MUCH rather my sales guy struggling/actually working to make $40-60k a year get a bit of a bonus from the ADM than Ford execs padding their multi-million dollar takehome as is.

First like most I'm sick of the ADM conversation, but the poster named the tread ADM and Tesla. If you don't like the conversation, don't open the thread. Oh man I opened it! What I didn't mean too, but like reality TV I'm pulled into the madness. hahaha

But I do agree we should ban anymore ADM threads. Just add to the existing rants. No need to compare Ford to Tesla. I think that's more of a way to start a non GT350 conversation or get under some skin.

We have WAY too many ADM threads- 2 to 3 for every 1 real thread. Whether one is ok with ADM, doesn't like it, indifferent etc continuing to start more and more threads about it won't change a damn thing in real life. This is the reality of the situation it is here and will remain no matter how many threads you start on Mustang6g.

OP's second sentence immediately mentions ADM. To begin with Tesla's business model is totally different so the discussion is moot to begin with. A quick google search could have avoided this thread to begin with.

 

[B17drvr]

Tesla is trading at 63X earnings and losing 4K a car. Not a real rosy financial picture.

 

[derpington]

Hmm, no one mentioned TARP... If it were related to TARP I could understand the concern but the fact that TARP happened, which was a fiasco with GM, the Obama admin didn't learn and went right ahead and injected $500mil into a struggling company.

And to your statement regarding Ford... Ummmm, no... Ford didn't take a bailout.

TARP was brought up because that is the name of the program that is referred to as the "government bailout." Ford received a $5.6 billion government loan around the same time Tesla received theirs. Both of these loans were separate from TARP and were distinct from the financial bailout. It is incorrect to say that Tesla was bailed out, and it is definitely disingenuous to say that Tesla was bailed out and Ford wasn't.

 

[Spa2k]

Tesla is trading at 63X earnings and losing 4K a car.

One more time: Tesla is not losing $4K per car. The company simply is overspending for all its projects at this time, and the authors of an article on Reuters earlier this week mistakenly equated the losses for the entire company against the sales of only one of its products, the Model S. Here's a pretty good analysis: http://bgr.com/2015/08/11/tesla-model-s-profits-4000/.

 

[CANTWN4LSN]

It seems to me you are buying Musk's dependence on federal and state money to sell cap and trade pollution credits in addition to tax incentives to consumers for purchase of electric cars as a good business model. In addition he's trying to qualify for Chinese govt subsidies to hope to make a profit there. Making the unprofitable profitable on the backs of the taxpayers. Sorry folks, this is not how the free market should work.

 

[healntoe]

You all need to accept that the topic of ADM will never go away. ADM and the GT350 go hand in hand. Accept that you're going to see this topic over and over and over and over again. It will permeate every thread here and elsewhere. You will think about it whenever you think about this car. There is nothing you will ever be able to do or say to make it go away.

Don't "NEED TO ACCEPT" anything Randy...I mostly enjoy this forum but get really pissed off when I start reading about Tesla, political nonsense and ADM. It's mostly whining about not being able to afford an R model because of the markup. Truth be known, most of the whiners probably would not be able to afford to maintain the car properly even if they could buy the car in the first place! I ordered at MSRP and fortunately had a Ford dealer friend to help me but now I've basically decided to pick my topics to read more carefully so as to avoid seeing this crap. It's better for my blood pressure and peace of mind! Anyway, that off my chest, I am excited about getting my new R and look forward to seeing the really positive stuff that will start appearing once cars begin to be delivered.

 

[Blk2015GT]

It's mostly whining about not being able to afford an R model because of the markup. Truth be known, most of the whiners probably would not be able to afford to maintain the car properly even if they could afford it!

This.

People whine about a $5k ADM but then don't realize doing pads/rotors alone on any 350 model is going to be $2,500; not a couple hundred bucks like a normal GT take it to Pep Boy or Midas. If you can't afford ADM then you can't afford to maintain the car to buy one to begin with and are just sinking yourself into the American Dream of debt buying more than you can afford trying to live like the Joneses. Get yourself a nice GT and save $10-20k in an account and enjoy the car not going into huge debt to own one.

 

[FPCV8YO]

Don't "NEED TO ACCEPT" anything Randy...I mostly enjoy this forum but get really pissed off when I start reading about Tesla, political nonsense and ADM. It's mostly whining about not being able to afford an R model because of the markup. Truth be known, most of the whiners probably would not be able to afford to maintain the car properly even if they could afford it! I ordered at MSRP and fortunately had a Ford dealer friend to help me but now I've basically decided to pick my topics to read more carefully so as to avoid seeing this crap. It's better for my blood pressure and peace of mind! Anyway, that off my chest, I am excited about getting my new R and look forward to seeing the really positive stuff that will start appearing once cars begin to be delivered.

So because you got VIP treatment ...

 

[licktensteins]

This.

People whine about a $5k ADM but then don't realize doing pads/rotors alone on any 350 model is going to be $2,500; not a couple hundred bucks like a normal GT take it to Pep Boy or Midas. If you can't afford ADM then you can't afford to maintain the car to buy one to begin with and are just sinking yourself into the American Dream of debt buying more than you can afford trying to live like the Joneses. Get yourself a nice GT and save $10-20k in an account and enjoy the car not going into huge debt to own one.

Please break this expense down with actual figures and part numbers.

 

[Mustang1260]

Don't forget the "Rs" rubber... very pricey and very quick wearing ...less then 10k....watch many R owners replace it with "better" aka high mileage hard rubber which defeats the much (but not all but much) of the handling advantage of the R....

 

[Blk2015GT]

Please break this expense down with actual figures and part numbers.

1125 is the SVT front rotors- $296.75 each
FR3Z-2C026-C is the SVT rear rotors- $295.52 each
FR3Z-2001-J front pads- $283.18
FR3Z-2200-E rear pads $151.67

The parts alone are $1618.99. This is from fordparts.com so the prices may vary.

Ok around $2,000 with labor. The point remains.

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