400 pound weight loss??

[xlover]

CCB options are typically in the 8-10k range on the cars that offer them

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[WestRace]

Assuming the GT350 is NA not FI and is intended as a track car, I really hope they price it more in line with the Boss Laguna Seca than the Z/28.

I'm sorry, but $75k is absolutely f*(king ridiculous for a pony car, any pony car, and I'm saying this as someone who owned 3 Camaros before my Mustang.

You may be right. The next Corvette C7 Z06 will probably be around 75K and we all know how fast it's going to be. The GT350 (next Boss) should only be 50K max. GT500 may be another 10K more.

Edit: BMW just released the MSRP of the new M3/M4 which will be around 62K. I think the Boss has to undercut that price by a sizable amount.

 

[mitchell]

Well if the f-150 has aluminum body panels. I wonder if the Mustang will have Aluminum body panels..

It wont.

The GT will come in at or slightly above the current GT's weight. That means a 50-100lbs lighter I4 will still give the S550 the distinction of being lighter than the current gen cars. The ILIRS added around 150lbs and Ford looked at every part to get that number down. You can look at it this way, the car is lighter in many respects but the reality of safety equipment and IRS counteracted that. Without it, the GT would be 200lbs lighter. With all that considered and a nearly identical size it is still an accomplishment having any trim come in under the current weight.

Bottom line, anyone that is still quoting 200-400lbs weight loss has their head in the clouds.

 

[Gman11Gt]

I think if the F-150 becomes a success while aluminum prices don't get too far out there, you might see an all aluminum Mustang especially where weight loss is becoming a big deal with cars and carrying into the bloated Muscle car arena.

I would love to have a 3300lb GT but looks to be more inline with the 4 banger. If they are basing the performance of the GT off the 911 and the M4 they have a ways to go on weight. 911 is 3200 or so while the M4 is 3300.

 

[HGFireHazard]

It wont.

The GT will come in at or slightly above the current GT's weight. That means a 50-100lbs lighter I4 will still give the S550 the distinction of being lighter than the current gen cars. The ILIRS added around 150lbs and Ford looked at every part to get that number down. You can look at it this way, the car is lighter in many respects but the reality of safety equipment and IRS counteracted that. Without it, the GT would be 200lbs lighter. With all that considered and a nearly identical size it is still an accomplishment having any trim come in under the current weight.

Bottom line, anyone that is still quoting 200-400lbs weight loss has their head in the clouds.

In my opinion you have to do an apples to apples comparison with weight. If the turbo 4 is the only one to weigh less than the outgoing model it's disingenuous to claim it lost weight over the previous gen.

This car has been touted as an all new, from the ground up machine. If they can't take the opportunity with creating a totally updated chassis and car to make it lighter than the predecessor they have made a mistake. I can't help but wonder if in the coming months we're going to find out a lot more of this car is carryover than Ford is admitting.

If what you say is true that even the lightest versions of the GT won't beat the current car, how much is it going to gain with options? I pray you're wrong because it would be pretty dang disappointing.

 

[thePill]

It wont.

The GT will come in at or slightly above the current GT's weight. That means a 50-100lbs lighter I4 will still give the S550 the distinction of being lighter than the current gen cars. The ILIRS added around 150lbs and Ford looked at every part to get that number down. You can look at it this way, the car is lighter in many respects but the reality of safety equipment and IRS counteracted that. Without it, the GT would be 200lbs lighter. With all that considered and a nearly identical size it is still an accomplishment having any trim come in under the current weight.

Bottom line, anyone that is still quoting 200-400lbs weight loss has their head in the clouds.

Nooooooooo!!!! I wish they could have dropped weight. The weight they are losing is just being put back on like the Stingray. The S197 was actually a light platform, the GT500 reinforcement changed that in 2007, and continued with the safety equipment.

They need to ditch the steel cradle ASAP...


Edit: At least that 150lbs from the IRS will flesh out a better balance front to rear. The Control Blade IRS was suppose to be almost the same weight as the SRA, I don't think it was the way to go now seeing the ILIRS

This has me thinking about the EB4. The differances between the EB4 and the V6 was said to be 70-100lbs. I thought I seen that said somewhere. This puts the EB Mustang at the 3450lbs Motor Trend suggested...

 

[thePill]

Gt track pack? Curious. .

Better hold off on that 3380...

 

[thePill]

Hey Mitchell, are you positive the ILIRS added that much? The BMW's system (almost identical) is lightweight. ILIRS has no upper housing unit for the spring/shock to mount. I can't see a standard Short-Long Arm IRS and the ILIRS being just as heavy.

I highly doubt 150lbs could be picked up there bud. That could be misinformation...

I am still hearing Ford has aggressive weight saving goals and they are going to meet them. Are they just talking about the shell?

 

[crysalis_01]

Hey Mitchell, are you positive the ILIRS added that much? The BMW's system (almost identical) is lightweight. ILIRS has no upper housing unit for the spring/shock to mount. I can't see a standard Short-Long Arm IRS and the ILIRS being just as heavy.

I highly doubt 150lbs could be picked up there bud. That could be misinformation...

I am still hearing Ford has aggressive weight saving goals and they are going to meet them. Are they just talking about the shell?

This is what I was thinking. The ILIRS doesn't seem, from a structural point of view, that it would have the ability to add more weight than a similarly sized CBIRS. We also know that the weight gain on the CBIRS was a relatively small compared to a traditional multi-link.

 

[jjw]

The car isn't gaining weight.

 

[Whiskey11]

The car isn't gaining weight.

Pretty factual statement for no supporting evidence! I'd love to know how you know!

 

[mitchell]

Hey Mitchell, are you positive the ILIRS added that much? The BMW's system (almost identical) is lightweight. ILIRS has no upper housing unit for the spring/shock to mount. I can't see a standard Short-Long Arm IRS and the ILIRS being just as heavy.

I highly doubt 150lbs could be picked up there bud. That could be misinformation...

I am still hearing Ford has aggressive weight saving goals and they are going to meet them. Are they just talking about the shell?

Yes 150 or close to it. If it adds 150 and adds even more with safety equipment and they get it to almost break even isn't that aggressive weight savings for a car that is the same dimensions? BMW system is not identical. Different strengthening requirements for the weight delta of each car and also the halo models, among other things.

Ask yourself this, Dave P has had every opportunity to talk about saving weight. Ford said repeatedlly it'll have more power without giving exact HP. Why not say "it's lighter but we're not releasing that now"
? Anyone?

 

[jjw]

Marketing.

 

[mitchell]

Some strange marketing my friend.

Saying over and over it'll outperform the Boss 302 does way more to kill 2014 sales than saying it's lighter.

 

[HGFireHazard]

Some strange marketing my friend.

Saying over and over it'll outperform the Boss 302 does way more to kill 2014 sales than saying it's lighter.

The only logical explanation I can come up with is they are trying to keep the information from Chevy and Dodge. This has been some of the tightest lip info for the car we've waited for.

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