2018 Mustang refresh?

[HawaiianStang]

Right but what I'm saying is if someone on the GT takes the PP that adds about $2500 to the price. A lot of whats in the GTPP is standard on the SS. Lots of threads about this when their specs came out and most agreed that the SS is more similar to a GTPP for price comparisons, not a GT.

I really don't care about the power bump but great for those that want it...but I think you won't see DI till another year and if they do anything here it's just a tune to get a few more HP out of it.

I agree, that the 18MY Mustang GT will not get DI. That won't happen until the S650 redesign. I do believe that it will receive a moderate power increase (455-460 hp/410-415 tq) which should be achievable with a more aggressive tune.

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[Marino]

I agree, that the 18MY Mustang GT will not get DI. That won't happen until the S650 redesign. I do believe that it will receive a moderate power increase (455-460 hp/410-415 tq) which should be achievable with a more aggressive tune.

A simple tune will not do that.

 

[thePill]

Cars.com shows the Mustang down to 15,100. I think Ford is catching up with the overseas orders and that is very good. If the overseas market is still waiting on a 2016-'17 to ship, they can't go ahead and show a refreshed 2018 now can they?

The camaro is up to 25,674!!! Again, Chevy has shipped and overstocked an additional 2000-3000 Camaro's. Are they aware that their Dralerships need to get rid of some 30-40 cats before October right?

Sales of the camaro this winter could actually give Ford plenty of breathing room. Purhaps the refresh can be push out to a 2019. If so many advancements are due in the drivetrain, I'd say accomplish those first and offset the cost. The 2015 was really the only time the skin and bones were both upgraded at the same time.

The camaro isn't breathing very good... I think Winter sales will literally kill the car and the rest of its budget. The 2016 camaro SS was Chevy going all out...



...it's unfortunate.

 

[15wile]

A simple tune will not do that.

A tune can do that easily, but probably wouldn't pass all the tests if they did. They will need some other love to do it in a way that can be warranted and pass CA emissions, etc... It doesn't need much to get there, though. Maybe a new intake manifold would do it.

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

A tune can do that easily, but probably wouldn't pass all the tests if they did. They will need some other love to do it in a way that can be warranted and pass CA emissions, etc... It doesn't need much to get there, though. Maybe a new intake manifold would do it.

Ford level 2 power pack is 50 state carb legal and boosts power to 455hp/425lbft. Granted, it includes a CAI and throttle body, but this tech is ready to go and has less than a $500 cost differential to the stock components it replaces. It doesn't necessarily need to decrease MPGS either, or at least from a rating standard. Ford could just implement it as a sport+ setting or track key option which would avoid inclusion in EPA fuel economy certification testing.I would be amazed if ford didn'the go this route; assuming DI isn't in the cards for the refresh.

 

[magnetic16gt]

Guys DI is happening. These things are set up years in advance and written into union contracts to secure work for the union member. Just like the 5.8L Trinity motor, contract talks gave away the news.

Is that MY '18 or calender year '18? My "inside" source has mentioned that the acclaimed changes will likely not show up until the '19 MY and that the main attraction for '18 and the auto show will be the introduction of the GT500. All hearsay of course...

 

[Twin Turbo]

Is that MY '18 or calender year '18? My "inside" source has mentioned that the acclaimed changes will likely not show up until the '19 MY and that the main attraction for '18 and the auto show will be the introduction of the GT500. All hearsay of course...

I wonder if your source has that back to front.

It would make more sense for Ford to introduce the cooking models (V6/Ecoboost/GT) with their facelift for the '18MY.......then launch the GT500 a little later, perhaps as a '19MY.

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

I wonder if your source has that back to front.

It would make more sense for Ford to introduce the cooking models (V6/Ecoboost/GT) with their facelift for the '18MY.......then launch the GT500 a little later, perhaps as a '19MY.

I was thinking the same thing. However Ford did do something similar with the MY2010 GT500 and the MY2012 GT refresh. The GT500s vastly improved front fascia carried over, and the masses were greatful.

 

[obgod3]

I personally (among others) would like to see any Auto with the PP. I have been talking buying one for a while, life circumstances changed my plan, but post xmas is my time. Might wait to hear about MY18, but dont know depends on when that is. Auto + PP would be great?

However, I wont dick around too long...if solid info isn't available when Im ready Ill just get a 17.

 

[EXP Jawa]

I would be shocked if Ford didn't offer it as a combination, once the 10-speed is available. Just based on the apparent take rate of the PP, they have to be imagining all of the sales that see if that was available in combo with an A/T...

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

Guys DI is happening. These things are set up years in advance and written into union contracts to secure work for the union member. Just like the 5.8L Trinity motor, contract talks gave away the news.

The article says DI for the F150 5.0L. I believe the 2017 F150 has the 10-speed auto and the mustang does not. The same could apply for DI.

 

[BmacIL]

The article says DI for the F150 5.0L. I believe the 2017 F150 has the 10-speed auto and the mustang does not. The same could apply for DI.

The Mustang and F-150 5.0Ls are developed by the same team at the same time, and big changes like the addition of DI happen across both platforms. The F-150 pays for this stuff to be used in the Mustang.

 

[c-rizzle]

Whatever the f150 gets the mustang gets. Just like the Corvette stuff trickles down to the Camaro. When the f150 got the 5.0 and the 6 speed automatic so did the Mustang.

Exactly.... so where are the aluminum bodies?!!? Can anyone say MINUS 400-500 lbs!!

I agree F-150 is Ford's best selling / cash cow, so they always put their latest tech in them first.

Ex: Technology: F-150 had remote start, newer versions of Sync, etc... long before the Mustang.
Body: Aluminum first...
Engine & Drivetrain: always get the engines first, the Raptor has already been announced to have the new 10-speed transmission & high horsepower Ecoboost similar to the Ford GT.

 

[Darkane]

Exactly.... so where are the aluminum bodies?!!? Can anyone say MINUS 400-500 lbs!!

I agree F-150 is Ford's best selling / cash cow, so they always put their latest tech in them first.

Ex: Technology: F-150 had remote start, newer versions of Sync, etc... long before the Mustang.
Body: Aluminum first...
Engine & Drivetrain: always get the engines first, the Raptor has already been announced to have the new 10-speed transmission & high horsepower Ecoboost similar to the Ford GT.

Man easy on the bold. That is entirely incorrect.

Why you ask? Hint one: body on frame vs unibody.

 

[BmacIL]

Man easy on the bold. That is entirely incorrect.

Why you ask? Hint one: body on frame vs unibody.

Nah, size. The big reason the F-150 lost so much weight is because it's big. The least weight lost was about 620 lbs (reg. cab, short box), and the most a touch over 700.

The new Super Duty saw less weight loss than the F-150, because the pick-up boxes are further reinforced, but the cab weight loss is identical.

The Mustang would probably lose ~200 lbs going to aluminum while keeping the same strength and rigidity. Definitely worthwhile on weight, but hard to justify on cost. The F-150 cost Ford ~$6B to do, a huge percentage of that in new body tooling and development.

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