2016 SVT Automatic?

[Grimace427]

You're right - Shame the production run is going to be that limited. Still, when the new $400k GT comes out watch them magically find a great double clutch transmission.

It's already been announced to have a 7-speed DCT. What's magic about that?

Sponsored

 

[Mustang1260]

It's already been announced to have a 7-speed DCT.

And the cost of that unit to put it into the GT350? Not just cost of the of the DCT but engineering costs etc. For a $400k car--NOT a problem especially if it is being built ground up with that tranny in mind -bolt in connection points, shifter location, linkage etc...but for a fairly limited production car (GT350) that they are trying (apparently per rumor) to keep in the $50s-you've got a problem. But who knows-if the GT350 really does stay in production for 5 years it might happen.

 

[Grimace427]

And the cost of that unit to put it into the GT350? Not just cost of the of the DCT but engineering costs etc. For a $400k car--NOT a problem especially if it is being built ground up with that tranny in mind -bolt in connection points, shifter location, linkage etc...but for a fairly limited production car (GT350) that they are trying (apparently per rumor) to keep in the $50s-you've got a problem. But who knows-if the GT350 really does stay in production for 5 years it might happen.

I'm not following you. Ford has zero plans on putting a DCT into the Mustang.


I agree with your previos post 100% that Ford doesn't need to neuter the GT350 with an auto to sell more. They will sell each an every one they build.

 

[Hack]

Guarantee they would sell many more if they did offer a high performance, double clutch transmission. Wouldn't surprise me to see the GT with one.


DC = double clutch tranny - shifts are instant , harsh and precise, there is no loss of rpms; far from a relaxing, easy, boring drive. It's not your grand-daddy's automatic by any stretch. All of the high-end manufacturers are going in that direction , some exclusively - the newest 911 GT3 for example is only available with the PDK (Porsche's double clutch), LaFerrari, Porsche 918 both have double clutch manual/automatics. Depending on the unit and mode they are not automatic, you have to shift them manually, but there's no third pedal required to disengage the clutch as they are both always engaged (although I'm not sure how neutral works).

Don't get me wrong, I buy manuals for my DD's and have one in my track car, because I prefer it too, but it is slower and no where near as precise.

I would probably not buy a Mustang with a paddle shifted anything. I wouldn't like it and the car would cost more than I want to pay. I think with a DC Ford would sell a lot fewer cars, because they would price themselves out of their niche.

Harsh, precise or fast shifts do not make the car interesting or exciting to me. I just don't think about it the same way you do.

 

[sgrinavi]

I would probably not buy a Mustang with a paddle shifted anything. I wouldn't like it and the car would cost more than I want to pay. I think with a DC Ford would sell a lot fewer cars, because they would price themselves out of their niche.

Harsh, precise or fast shifts do not make the car interesting or exciting to me. I just don't think about it the same way you do.

They could sell more if DCT were offered as an option, same guys that buy carbon ceramic rotors, aero packages and adjustable suspensions could afford it. I agree with you, I'm not a huge fan either, but DCT does have advantages.

It's already been announced to have a 7-speed DCT. What's magic about that?

Not magic - If you read the context of the post you'll see that I was responding to post that stated :

and right now Ford doesn't have the proper auto tranny to deal with the HP, Torque, and lateral g load stresses that this car will produce

My point is that ford can come up with a good DCT if they need one.

I'm not following you. Ford has zero plans on putting a DCT into the Mustang.


I agree with your previos post 100% that Ford doesn't need to neuter the GT350 with an auto to sell more. They will sell each an every one they build.

Why do you say neuter? It would be a faster car in every regard with the right transmission. There's a reason all the high end manufacturers are going with it. It's not less of a car by any stretch of the imagination - just different

 

[Grimace427]

Why do you say neuter? It would be a faster car in every regard with the right transmission. There's a reason all the high end manufacturers are going with it. It's not less of a car by any stretch of the imagination - just different

There are people on this forum who've stated they won't buy the GT350 because they can't drive or won't drive a manual. I'd rather keep it that way because then I know people who buy a GT350 are doing so because they recognize the driver's car appeal. I'm happy there are other companies offering autos in their sports cars but this isn't about making the Mustang as fast as possible, rather it's Ford recognizing it's true enthusiast base.

I'm sure Ford will eventually build a Hi-Po Mustang with an auto, perhaps the Mach 1.

 

[Hack]

They could sell more if DCT were offered as an option, same guys that buy carbon ceramic rotors, aero packages and adjustable suspensions could afford it. I agree with you, I'm not a huge fan either, but DCT does have advantages.

I wouldn't argue that some high-end customers want it, but putting an expensive piece of gear in the Mustang would raise the price up. If I were spending $50-60k, that's around the top for a Mustang. The GT350 seems like it will already be in that neighborhood or at least close at base. Now, go up to $70k or beyond, why not buy a BMW or maybe a Porsche? If you're an American only guy, a viper could be had or you're into well-optioned 'vette money at that point.

 

[thaext]

There are people on this forum who've stated they won't buy the GT350 because they can't drive or won't drive a manual. I'd rather keep it that way because then I know people who buy a GT350 are doing so because they recognize the driver's car appeal. I'm happy there are other companies offering autos in their sports cars but this isn't about making the Mustang as fast as possible, rather it's Ford recognizing it's true enthusiast base.

I'm sure Ford will eventually build a Hi-Po Mustang with an auto, perhaps the Mach 1.

I think saying that the GT350 is neutered if there's an automatic is a little far fetched. Having a choice of trannies is key because there are people with disabilities which prevent them from driving manuals. Like others have said, automatics are faster than manuals now aday.

 

[R 350 gt Donson]

I think saying that the GT350 is neutered if there's an automatic is a little far fetched. Having a choice of trannies is key because there are people with disabilities which prevent them from driving manuals. Like others have said, automatics are faster than manuals now aday.

No offence, but really, Ford makes an auto, GT Mustang if someone has disabilities. There is such a small market for these cars, it goes back too; "you just can't please everyone"

 

[kz]

I think saying that the GT350 is neutered if there's an automatic is a little far fetched. Having a choice of trannies is key because there are people with disabilities which prevent them from driving manuals. Like others have said, automatics are faster than manuals now aday.

People with disabilities ? And you think they're going to buy track targeted car if they're disabled (with the whole respect to disabled people) ?

It more seems to me like a bunch of people would buy GT350 just to have it (because it's cool, expensive and there won't be very many of them) and they either can't or are too lazy to drive stick.

 

[SVTFreak]

People with disabilities ? And you think they're going to buy track targeted car if they're disabled (with the whole respect to disabled people) ?



It more seems to me like a bunch of people would buy GT350 just to have it (because it's cool, expensive and there won't be very many of them) and they either can't or are too lazy to drive stick.

Boy you really haven't been around beyond your little circle have you?

I happen to have a very good friend who is paralyzed from the waist down (dirt bike accident). He still rides dirt bikes, jet skis and builds and drives and tracks some very nice cars. He has to hand build his own controls for them. They are out there.

You forgot about one group of people. Those that realize that the future is varying types of autos. Go buy a manual ferarri. Oh wait, those aren't meant to be fast cars.....

People who think their way is the only right way are selfish and refuse to look beyond their own desires.

That aside, ford will do what makes them the most money. That's the bottom line. The sales of autos, the markets show, wouldn't be worth the investment. THAT is what it boils down to. Always they money and nothing else

 

[kz]

Boy you really haven't been around beyond your little circle have you?

I happen to have a very good friend who is paralyzed from the waist down (dirt bike accident). He still rides dirt bikes, jet skis and builds and drives and tracks some very nice cars. He has to hand build his own controls for them. They are out there.

You forgot about one group of people. Those that realize that the future is varying types of autos. Go buy a manual ferarri. Oh wait, those aren't meant to be fast cars.....

People who think their way is the only right way are selfish and refuse to look beyond their own desires.

That aside, ford will do what makes them the most money. That's the bottom line. The sales of autos, the markets show, wouldn't be worth the investment. THAT is what it boils down to. Always they money and nothing else

Trust me - I have been. They're great people and do some really amazing things. Just don't buy the explanation Ford should release GT350 with Auto for one or two people out there that are disabled, can afford GT350 and need/want this exact car. While it would be nice, makes no sense to me, that's it.
And prove me wrong that there are dozens of disabled guys that would line up for GT350.
Somebody wants GT350 with auto, use different excuse.

 

[aspensilver]

There are people on this forum who've stated they won't buy the GT350 because they can't drive or won't drive a manual. I'd rather keep it that way because then I know people who buy a GT350 are doing so because they recognize the driver's car appeal. I'm happy there are other companies offering autos in their sports cars but this isn't about making the Mustang as fast as possible, rather it's Ford recognizing it's true enthusiast base.

I'm sure Ford will eventually build a Hi-Po Mustang with an auto, perhaps the Mach 1.

Lame.

 

[SVTFreak]

Trust me - I have been. They're great people and do some really amazing things. Just don't buy the explanation Ford should release GT350 with Auto for one or two people out there that are disabled, can afford GT350 and need/want this exact car. While it would be nice, makes no sense to me, that's it.

And prove me wrong that there are dozens of disabled guys that would line up for GT350.

Somebody wants GT350 with auto, use different excuse.

Excuse, huh? Interesting wording there. Your opinion is a reason and someone else's is an excuse. You'll never see the wide angle.

 

[thaext]

ITT: People who think having a choice between a GT350 with either manual or automatic is a bad thing. It must be manual or bust.

Sponsored