2016 Camaro

[thaext]

Here are some facts:

I get 25.4 MPG @70MPH w/ 3.73's
My car weighs about 3700#'s
My Car has an under-rated 435HP
My Car was $33K

What was the argument again? There exists no other car packed with technology and performance at this price point on the planet. The Camaro will always be more expensive than a Mustang. Thaext please report me to the moderators again for picking on you. Maybe you would get a little more respect if you actually bought something (an actual real car, not fantasy land) and brought something useful to the forum other than telling all us '15 owners how much our cars suck compared to everything else on the market.

I have never once said the Mustang sucks. All what I said is not to blindly trash the camaro before it has even been announced. This forum is full of sour Mustang owners, that can't hear anything other than the mustang is an oh Jesus car.

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[thePill]

You're full of it. In an earlier post you claimed the c7 weighs almost 3500 lbs. I knew then you were trolling, because if you actually knew anything, it weighs 2lbs shy of 3300lbs. Second of all, google cylinder deactivation. Ask Stingray_steve, Turrizm, Brent302 about the great gas mileage they get. No wonder camaro5 banned your ass, because you're just a troll against any GM product.

GM has some good products and bad products just like any car manufacturer. It's kinda sad that there are such blind fanboys about a particular product.

Whoopsie!!! Didn't know the Corvette was pushing 3500lbs did ya'?

Good luck on a 3700lbs Camaro. Gonna be difficult when the ATS already weighs 3700lbs bruh... That's not trashing the Camaro, it's being honest. I'm sorry it hurts your feel bads.

Camaro5 banned me because I told people a ZL1 was going to weigh 4152lbs and that the '13 GT500 was being built. This of course was before any of these "facts" we're known.

I will continue to devastate the Camaro nameplate... forever... because the Camaro, Chevrolet and GM blow.

Edit: It's funny you mention Camaro5 (and C6), I think they are hilarious as well as the GM/Chevy higher ups that brainwash you there. That is ultimately why I was banned, because I kept interrupting the regularly scheduled program. Imagine if my z28 awareness was going on over there. They couldn't blatantly lie to you and sell you cars and Tshirts.

The whole concept of a selective under-corporate media shill was to dissolve misinformation from Camaro5 and Chevrolet. .. I don't think there is anyone more outspoken against Government Motors than me, a God given right. I never liked how the post 2002 GM did business and treated customers. I would have thought this would have been remedied by now but no, those bad decision makers then are in charge of the company now... When I invested in GM, I did my part and gave them $1.99 a share in 2009. Trust me, I deserve to be vocal more than ANYONE. Yes, I've made my money back by far... I am just as critical of Ford, in which I paid $2.15 per in the same time frame...

 

[TTC6]

If I had to buy a new daily driver TODAY, it would be a no-option 2015 GT with a 6spd stick.
The Mustang FINALLY gets the IRS it has DESERVED for the last TWENTY YEARS and the 3,736 lbs of the GT PP that has been independently verified by BMR is encouraging.


But, expect a 2016 Camaro built on the ATS coupe version of the Alpha chassis to weigh 3,695 lbs with the 460hp LT1 and 7spd stick.
GM is historically conservative with published weight and performance numbers, so expect real world numbers to be even better.

Here are some figures that support the 3,695 lbs weight of the 2016 LT1 Camaro.
It might be hard to follow, but trust me, it makes sense.



estimated 2016+ Alpha Camaro curb weights:
LT1 curb weight = 3,695 lbs
LT4 curb weight = 3,921 lbs


ATS coupe 3.6 V6 = 3530 lb

2016 CTS-V 4145 lb

CTS V6 3.6 3754 lb

CTS-V weight minus CTS V6 weight = 391 lb (weight added for LT4 drivetrain over the V6)

ATS V6 3530 lb + 391 lbs for LT4 drivetrain = 3921 lb LT4 Alpha Camaro

2015 Z06 3524 lb - C7 LT1 3298 lb = 226 lb ( added for LT4 over LT1 )

estimated weight of LT4 Alpha Camaro 3921 lb minus 226 lb weight savings to LT1 drivetrain = 3695 lbs

LT1 Alpha Camaro = 3,695lbs


2015 ATS coupe weights
3.6L Luxury 3.6L Performance 3.6L Premium
Curb Weight (RWD) 3530 lbs 3530 lbs 3530 lbs

2015 CTS Sedan
3.6L Luxury 3.6L Premium
Curb Weight (RWD) 3754 lbs 3854 lbs

2016 CTS-V
Curb weight (lb / kg): 4145 / 1880 (4253 lbs is 2014 CTS-V Sedan Automatic)

2016 ZO6 1LZ
Weight 3524 lb

2015 Corvette 1LT LT1
Base Curb Weight 3298 lbs

2015 Camaro LS3
1SS 2SS 1LS 3.6L V6
Base Curb Weight 3908 lbs 3935 lbs 3719 lbs

 

[TTC6]

I will continue to devastate the Camaro nameplate... forever... because the Camaro, Chevrolet and GM blow.

LMFAO.
Get over yourself, dude.

I used to bleed blue blood for Ford. Spent a DECADE of my life and SIX FIGURES in buying and modifying Mustangs.
But, since then, Ford has been raping their loyal customers with sh#tty solid axles in a failed attempt to increase profits by a measly $99 per car, while being raped by GM, for the last 20 years.
Yes, the 5th Gen Camaro is a fat pig built on a sedan chassis that has a terrible interior you can't see out of.
But, Corvette has been dominating the street and track ever since the C5 and LSx were released for 1997.
To disagree is to make a fool of yourself.
The 2015 Mustang is the first Mustang worth buying when compared to the competition since 1992 when Ford removed the forged pistons for cast ones in the 5.0 Fox body.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

LMFAO.
Get over yourself, dude.

I used to bleed blue blood for Ford. Spent a DECADE of my life and SIX FIGURES in buying and modifying Mustangs.
But, since then, Ford has been raping their loyal customers with sh#tty solid axles in a failed attempt to increase profits by a measly $99 per car, while being raped by GM, for the last 20 years.
Yes, the 5th Gen Camaro is a fat pig built on a sedan chassis that has a terrible interior you can't see out of.
But, Corvette has been dominating the street and track ever since the C5 and LSx were released for 1997.
To disagree is to make a fool of yourself.
The 2015 Mustang is the first Mustang worth buying when compared to the competition since 1992 when Ford removed the forged pistons for cast ones in the 5.0 Fox body.

Oh boy...we have us an internet tough guy. So you just joined to spew your GM love for the Vettes, huh? All 3 of your posts are hanging on the GM nut sack. You must have come over from stingray.com or camaro5...

Take a hike with your useless drivel. Gotta love a new user that comes on a new board to start name calling. Go frequent your GM boards.

 

[TTC6]

Oh boy...we have us an internet tough guy. So you just joined to spew your GM love for the Vettes, huh? All 3 of your posts are hanging on the GM nut sack. You must have come over from stingray.com or camaro5...

Take a hike with your useless drivel. Gotta love a new user that comes on a new board to start name calling. Go frequent your GM boards.

I'm far from "new". I was building mustangs BEFORE there was an internet.
I'm a gearhead. I own cars and bikes, domestics and imports, forced induction and naturally aspirated, 1/4 mile and road course, etc, etc.
I'm not biased or a fan boi.
I think a no-option 2015 Mustang GT with a stick makes a good daily driver and I give it the credit it deserves.

You have to give credit where it's deserved, but you also have to call out fan bois when they're playing the role.
Agreed?

 

[1320']

If I had to buy a new daily driver TODAY, it would be a no-option 2015 GT with a 6spd stick.
The Mustang FINALLY gets the IRS it has DESERVED for the last TWENTY YEARS and the 3,736 lbs of the GT PP that has been independently verified by BMR is encouraging.


But, expect a 2016 Camaro built on the ATS coupe version of the Alpha chassis to weigh 3,695 lbs with the 460hp LT1 and 7spd stick.
GM is historically conservative with published weight and performance numbers, so expect real world numbers to be even better.

Here are some figures that support the 3,695 lbs weight of the 2016 LT1 Camaro.
It might be hard to follow, but trust me, it makes sense.



estimated 2016+ Alpha Camaro curb weights:
LT1 curb weight = 3,695 lbs
LT4 curb weight = 3,921 lbs


ATS coupe 3.6 V6 = 3530 lb

2016 CTS-V 4145 lb

CTS V6 3.6 3754 lb

CTS-V weight minus CTS V6 weight = 391 lb (weight added for LT4 drivetrain over the V6)

ATS V6 3530 lb + 391 lbs for LT4 drivetrain = 3921 lb LT4 Alpha Camaro

2015 Z06 3524 lb - C7 LT1 3298 lb = 226 lb ( added for LT4 over LT1 )

estimated weight of LT4 Alpha Camaro 3921 lb minus 226 lb weight savings to LT1 drivetrain = 3695 lbs

LT1 Alpha Camaro = 3,695lbs


2015 ATS coupe weights
3.6L Luxury 3.6L Performance 3.6L Premium
Curb Weight (RWD) 3530 lbs 3530 lbs 3530 lbs

2015 CTS Sedan
3.6L Luxury 3.6L Premium
Curb Weight (RWD) 3754 lbs 3854 lbs

2016 CTS-V
Curb weight (lb / kg): 4145 / 1880 (4253 lbs is 2014 CTS-V Sedan Automatic)

2016 ZO6 1LZ
Weight 3524 lb

2015 Corvette 1LT LT1
Base Curb Weight 3298 lbs

2015 Camaro LS3
1SS 2SS 1LS 3.6L V6
Base Curb Weight 3908 lbs 3935 lbs 3719 lbs

I think you're a bit off on your weight estimate on the LT1 Camaro...

A V6 ATS's LFX engine comes in at about 345lbs. The LT1 is 465.

So even if they just plopped the LT1 into the ATS with no other bracing, heavier drivetrain, rear end, nothing, you'd still have a 3,650 lb Camaro..

You think the rest of a V8 running gear will only add on 45 pounds? Add in brembos, 245mm rear end MINIMUM, bracing, heavier wheels, rubber, etc..and that's all supposed to come in at only 3,695 lbs?

Here's a good example of the jump in drive train weight..

A 2014 V6 Challenger comes in at about 3,900 lbs. An base R/T comes in at 4,100lbs. That's with sharing the same transmission, so that isn't a factor. The R/T doesn't get brembos, or HD suspension in base form and has only a 215mm rear end. That alone is 200 lbs.

So figure...lets just add 200 lbs to ATS Sport weight to represent a Camaro that GM will NOT BUILD, IE a ultra base V8 car..that's still 3,730lbs.

The BEST, BEST weight a LT1 Alpha based Camaro could come in at with a manual transmission would be 3,800 lbs, with 3,850 closer to reality.

My prediction:

LT1 Manual=3,825
LT1 Auto=3,850.

An LT4 Camaro? 4,000lbs, easy. Overall I wouldn't expect more than 100lbs weight loss, IF AT ALL.

 

[TTC6]

I think you're a bit off on your weight estimate on the LT1 Camaro....

Ok. I'm open to a discussion.
Did you read all the numbers I posted and how I came to my conclusion?
Do you want to respond to those numbers?
I think they are pretty strong, considering I used basic algebra and GM's official numbers.

 

[1320']

Ok. I'm open to a discussion.
Did you read all the numbers I posted and how I came to my conclusion?
Do you want to respond to those numbers?
I think they are pretty strong, considering I used basic algebra and GM's official numbers.

Yeah I read them, I'm not denying your math..

What I'm saying is you're estimating a LT1 Camaro at 3,695 lbs. That's with V8 bracing, rear end, LT1, brembos, HD suspension..but the difference in weight is only supposed to be 165lbs? That's assuming it keeps the ATS's dimensions, and the ATS is NOT a big car at all.

 

[TTC6]

Yeah I read them, I'm not denying your math..

What I'm saying is you're estimating a LT1 Camaro at 3,695 lbs. That's with V8 bracing, rear end, LT1, brembos, HD suspension..but the difference in weight is only supposed to be 165lbs? That's assuming it keeps the ATS's dimensions, and the ATS is NOT a big car at all.

I'm fully aware of the ATS coupe's size and because I based my equations on the data we have available from GM, I think my educated guess on the 2016 Camaro's curb weight is pretty strong.
If you can refute my data or my equation, I am happy to listen.
If not, I'll stand by my theory that the 2016 Camaro SS will weigh 3,695 lbs.

An LT4 Camaro? 4,000lbs, easy. Overall I wouldn't expect more than 100lbs weight loss, IF AT ALL.

Seeing that the 2016 CTS-V sedan only lost around 108 lbs compared to the 2014 CTS-V sedan, your assumption is well within the realm of possibility.

Either way, these "pony cars" NEED to lose weight if they want to compete with the sport sedans on the market.
If I can get the convenience and luxury of a 4 door performance sedan that offers similar weight and performance to a Mustang or Camaro, I will go with the sports sedan instead. (SS Sedan, Audi S4, AMG C63, etc.)

 

[Backorder]

I'm not going to argue the possible 2016 Camaro specs. Either one of the above posts has good points and either one could be right. I won't deny that if a Camaro came in under the weight of the Mustang I would be impressed...but I still wouldn't buy one.

I am not a "Ford Fanboy" as you can tell by my profile, I drive a freakin Tiguan for god's sakes...but I am an enthusiast. I don't claim to be knowledgeable in really anything you guys are talking about, but I feel the need to share my opinion about GM from where this thread has started to go.

My problem with GM started when they took the bailout...that bothered me. You compound that with their 79 recalls in 2014 (according to autonews)http://www.autonews.com/article/20141201/RETAIL05/141209976/gm-recalls-more-than-300000-suvs-sedans-for-headlamps-that-go-dark and C&Ds corvette having engine failure at 6,000 makes me leary to buy anything from them. Just as I am leary to buy anything from Dodge, similar issues.

I choose Ford because to me, the mustang is a great all around package. It's comfortable DD, it has good performance and they didn't go through 79 recalls in a single year. Yes, every company has problems and even Ford has issues now and again, but I consider 79 to be insane.

To me, you could tell me the Camaro is coming in at 3500lbs with 100hp more than the stang, goes around the ring a full 3 seconds faster than the GT350, and has an interior that exceeds that of audi and porsche and I still wouldn't buy one. However, I am not going to knock anyone that buys the car because it would be a hell of a performer and I respect everyone has their own tastes.

Seeing threads and conversations like these disappoint me because I fully believe that GM and Ford and all other enthusiasts can have a decent debate without calling others "fan boys" and other name calling. This is similar to why I don't follow politics because instead of just debating facts and opinions, it always turns into "you're an idiot" or "you aren't thinking straight" etc. Why can't we all just get along? :-D

That being said, I don't think it being on the internet helps either, its hard to judge sarcasm and joking and on these forums it can easily be taken the wrong way.

OK, back to your regularly scheduled bickering :-D

 

[thePill]

I'm far from "new". I was building mustangs BEFORE there was an internet.
I'm a gearhead. I own cars and bikes, domestics and imports, forced induction and naturally aspirated, 1/4 mile and road course, etc, etc.
I'm not biased or a fan boi.
I think a no-option 2015 Mustang GT with a stick makes a good daily driver and I give it the credit it deserves.

You have to give credit where it's deserved, but you also have to call out fan bois when they're playing the role.
Agreed?

Lol... If only all those vehicles used the same platform and had similar equipment.

Don't be butthurt over here, it looks and feels like pure defeat. ThePill is insanely fun and visited often, why would I stop when GM gives me so much to talk about?

 

[Tim Hilliard]

I'm just enjoying all the comparisons with the worlds best to my $33K beater Mustang. You guys funny, you make me laugh. LOL at whoever thinks hell will freeze enough to see a Camaro lighter than a Mustang.

 

[TTC6]

You guys funny, you make me laugh. LOL at whoever thinks hell will freeze enough to see a Camaro lighter than a Mustang.

Keep denying reality, pal. The information is already available.

 

[Grimace427]

Keep denying reality, pal. The information is already available.

No information, only speculation(aka hopes and dreams).

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