2015 PP test drive - where's the traction?!

[Lagometer]

I should've used a better word than void, but what I was saying is that it's pointless to have a package with performance doo-dads and additional bracing that helps to raise the performance envelope only to saddle all of it with severely compromised rubber.

All-seasons make perfect sense for the volume models. They're just average tires that provide convenience above all else. If anyone wants a performance package, they should understand that it would come with performance-oriented tires (i.e. nothing in the A/S category).

I hear what you are saying. the rubber compounds in A/S are deliberately designed to remain soft at lower tempratures, whereas performance tires sacrifice little to road conditions and are designed to perform at high temperatures. Speed makes tires hot and A/S tires got no time for Speed Racer unless he wants to go snowboarding.

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[15GTBEN]

When did 3.73 become an option? I thought it was only 3.55! I don't know you but my second gear on WOT looses traction and 3rd gear chirps crazy on high rpm shifts And yes she is a Raged Monster attacking every square feet of the road. I call her the EX WiFE

You are correct that to have 3.73's you have to go with the PP. I did not know that; however, the 11-14 5.0's had 3.73's as an option (I had that option) so that is what I assumed...
Anyway, my 3.31's peel through 1st, peel going in to 2nd and chirp in to 3rd with p zero all seasons. My 12' brembo with the 3.73's peeled a little more in first as the main difference.
My point is, people new to the coyote platform think 3.73's are like adding a supercharger but in reality they may be a 1/2 car quicker...

 

[OppoLock]

There ARE worthy All Season...Performance tires today. Do the research...call Tire Rack...as the tire rep. They all have to drive Tire Racks fleet of BMW's...with every new tire that comes out..so they KNOW what they will do...on a dry track...wet track...snow conditions too. They have their own test track....and when they need warm dry conditions in their winter months in South Bend, IN, they use a track in Arizona.

They will rate tires on ACTUAL performance under all conditions....not favoring any manufacturer. Then they report their results...and you can find testimonials from owners of certain tires...and what car they drive, etc.

So...for example...Continental DWS...is known around the car world as one of the best High Perf. All Season tires. There are others too.

So, for some on here...apparently "All Season" has you stuck in the "Oh shit mode"...and that's not the case any longer.

Are there tires made for racing that are summer only...and better than these DWS...of course. Then you buy what you need...if you are tracking your car.

No longer need to wrinkle our noses at "All Season tires...esp. if they are High Perf. ones.

I get what you're saying. I recommended Conti's DWS on a thread a few months back regarding A/S choice, but they're still a compromise no matter how you slice it. That's what A/S tires are - compromises. If you want a performance car, and you're willing to invest in parts that aim to narrow said car's focus for the sake of performance, one of the easiest places to make or break the whole package is picking the right (or wrong) rubber.

 

[SpaceGhost]

How much slippage should one expect before traction control kicks in? I unexpectedly did a little fish tail tonight that I thought it should have caught and I'm running all seasons. It was warm here today. 45.

 

[Hack]

So is the Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Which never gave me any problems in my CTS-V or M3.

If this is normal Pirelli PZero performance then the tires just suck.

I ran the Pilot Super Sports on my 2011. They have good grip. But if you drive a higher powered car and get on it you will notice that they do a lot better when the temperature is over 70. When it's below 40 you have to be careful with them.

I'm not saying the SS is equivalent to the Pirellis, just that ANY summer tire will be severely traction limited on a Mustang GT when it's under 40 degrees.

I put the Pilot SS on late April last year and we did get snow one day after that. I drove on them anyway and they worked ok. Nothing like a real snow tire, but the car didn't spontaneously explode or anything. ;)

How much slippage should one expect before traction control kicks in? I unexpectedly did a little fish tail tonight that I thought it should have caught and I'm running all seasons. It was warm here today. 45.

The newest version of Ford's auto nannies let the car get a lot more out of shape before reeling it back in. They also don't pull power as severely or for as long a time. I prefer the new system.

 

[Old 5 Oh]

Makes me pretty happy I have the P-Zero Neros, which we've already driven at about 15 degrees with good success.

 

[tsunami]

But...But...this late fall...we had a lot of forum members telling the rest of us that summer tires were perfectly fine for driving in winter conditions! We were just just lousy drivers...that's why we were having traction and slipping problems. (It was all just a conspiracy to get us to buy a second set of un-needed tires).

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