2015 Mustang GT PP vs. 2015 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE

[ShadowHorse]

Still not impressed though. A 6.2L engine only beating a 5.0L by a second.. Ford is squeezing a lot more out of their short block it seems..

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[DivineStrike]

The 1LE has Recaro's, it's in the video.

Ah gotcha, you would be correct. I misread the price tested portion. I only got to watch the video once due to horrible internet and even then it was spotty and a pain to watch in its entirety.

 

[Falc'man]

When the reviews came out recently did you notice how Motor Trend were the only publication to criticise the Mustang? Everyone else loved it. Even in back to back reviews against the M4 it was the preferred vehicle.

I'll wait for more comparisons.

 

[DivineStrike]

If it was anyone but Randy Pobst I'd agree with you. However...

 

[BaylorCorvette]

When the reviews came out recently did you notice how Motor Trend were the only publication to criticise the Mustang? Everyone else loved it. Even in back to back reviews against the M4 it was the preferred vehicle.

I'll wait for more comparisons.

Randy Pobst has been the gold standard for comparing track times for a while now. He is an unbiased race car driver with a credible track record (no pun intended).

 

[Falc'man]

He works for Motor Trend?

 

[DivineStrike]

Not sure of his primary means of income, but he's a race car driver and does do reviews for them. He has the best and the most objective and unbiased reviews I have seen anywhere.

 

[Chlocli]

Summary of times set by Randy Pobst at Streets of Willow for various cars:

1:19.55 2012 Nissan GT-R
1:22.53 2013 Jaguar XKR-S GT
1:22.70 2012 Camaro 1LE
1:22.81 2015 Camaro 1LE
1:23.48 2010 Mustang GT500
1:24.32 2015 Mustang GT
1:24.85 2013 Aston Martin V12 Vantage S
1:25.71 2013 Chevrolet SS
1:25.77 2012 Mustang GT
1:26.10 2012 Mustang Boss 302 (note: not driven by Randy, included as a reference)
1:26.37 2014 BMW M235i
1:26.49 2013 Jaguar XFR-S
1:27.73 2011 300 SRT-8
1:27.85 2015 Mustang Ecoboost
1:28.40 2012 Focus ST
1:28.71 2012 Hyundai Genesis 3.8
1:29.09 2011 Mustang V6
1:29.12 2012 Hyundai Genesis 2.0T
1:29.51 2009 Mazda MPS3
1:30.32 2012 Subaru BRZ
1:31.15 2013 Scion FR-S
1:31.47 2009 Golf GTI
1:32.53 2011 Jetta GLI

Obviously weather conditions (wind/dust/etc) play a role but having the same driver for all these cars (except the Boss) makes for an interesting comparison.

Source: http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow_springs_-_streets_of_willow.html

We see that the S550 beats an impressive list of competitors :

Aston Martin Vantage V12 (565 bhp, carbon ceramic disks)
Chevrolet SS (Australian engineering at its finest)
BMW M235i
Jaguar XFR-S (supercharged 550 ponies)


I think Ford hit a home run with the S550 considering the need to go global, keep the price point within a certain level and still allow the large aftermarket to further improve the car.

For those of you who complain about the 1,5 seconds. I doubt that you have the skills to drive these cars at the limit like Pobst. Sure some of you have local track experience but how many have raced in the Pirelli World Challenge series?

Personally, I cannot wait to see what the GT350 will turn out to be. It will be one amazing car.

 

[Bossing]

On yt now....

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[wjones14]

Summary of times set by Randy Pobst at Streets of Willow for various cars:

Thanks for assembling the list Chlocli! It puts things in a better context.

Plus, you're absolutely right - most owners will never drive their cars close to this level. I've been to a bunch of track days, and the Mustang is plenty fun to drive. There are always going to be Porsches, GT-Rs, Z06s, Z28s, etc., at the track events, but that doesn't put a damper on the fun one bit, IMO.

 

[carguy]

When the reviews came out recently did you notice how Motor Trend were the only publication to criticise the Mustang? Everyone else loved it. Even in back to back reviews against the M4 it was the preferred vehicle.

I'll wait for more comparisons.

Yeah this is one of the things that's spinning my head. Road & Track for example had a number of highly praised reviews and just like you said there have been a few that preferred it over the M4.

Again, let's still remember the praises the Randy did give are extremely important, the top of which is the solid structure that is the S550. THIS IS just tires and dampers away from exceeding the 1LE.

 

[NRMStand]

Some really overblown reactions to what may come down to tires and dampers. I'd be a lot more worried if Randy said the body felt floppy and disconnected or the IRS was not an improvement over SRA in the handling dept. I do believe this is a package issue as others mentioned. As it stands his comments make me feel the S550 has all the right bones, will stand up nicely to heavy power mods and hi performance applications.

 

[Pie]

Motortrend H2H: Mustang GT PP vs. Camaro SS 1LE

I didn't see this posted anywhere yet

http://www.motortrend.com/multimedia/videos/#ooid=s1MG4zcTqTOgAkB6gL2nAXJ4uNJ13eT4

 

[Ahren]

My concern is the comments about the rear and the front not being balanced. In the past Randy praised the chassis for its balance. Understeer mid corner followed by over steer may be a problem.

I guess I was expecting the new Mustang to be more like the Boss out the gate. But it is the regular mustang that is trying to appeal to a wider market not an enthusiast model. I believe what I want as an enthusiast is the Boss or GT350 this new model is a bit too tame.

 

[erne75]

Still not impressed though. A 6.2L engine only beating a 5.0L by a second.. Ford is squeezing a lot more out of their short block it seems..

Well, you should. The LS3 engine is a great engine (too bad they put it on the ugly Camaro though). If you are going to use displacement as your only metric you are taking a very skewed view at engines in general. The LS is lighter and smaller than the Coyote while matching its power output. When it comes to performance your main concern should be power/weight and by that metric the LS3 engine wins...

Notice that I'm still getting a Mustang and I'll take Ford over Government Motors any day...

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