2015-2016 Tech Pack and Base GT350 Cooler Solution Discussion

[lemers]

Mine was ordered before the info was out and being built with no refund by the time the first limp mode came out.

I ordered what I did because I wanted a daily driver with comfort but I believed I was getting a car that could handle the claims from the advertising. I've never been to a track, but i didn't expect that when I finally do, I can't even get a standard 30 min sesson.

I feel my choices with the info at the time were reasonable. If I knew nothing then what I know now I too would have a track package car with an aftermark leather and nav.

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[Side_Pce]

Doesn't the supplement state "extended" track driving, not any/all track driving requires coolers? Telling point, no?

Ford made a choice that eliminated any direct OE upgrade path. Very frustrating, and not any purchaser's fault or responsibility.

I personally do not agree with the opinion that a car which is equipped with one of the best motors, suspension and brake packages and a transmission/diff package that is mechanically capable of handling high revelotions and power should be assumed to have to retire from road course driving before tires reach effective operating temperature.

Agreed. If they didn't intend all 350's to be tracked, why give all the suspension/handling/go fast goodies and leave out the ability too maintain the performance it was intended to give? Seems like a cheap out on a relatively inexpensive part for the car. They obviously saw the error of their ways and changed it for 17 but still.

 

[firestarter2]

Doesn't the supplement state "extended" track driving, not any/all track driving requires coolers? Telling point, no?

Ford made a choice that eliminated any direct OE upgrade path. Very frustrating, and not any purchaser's fault or responsibility.

I personally do not agree with the opinion that a car which is equipped with one of the best motors, suspension and brake packages and a transmission/diff package that is mechanically capable of handling high revelotions and power should be assumed to have to retire from road course driving before tires reach effective operating temperature.

The option packages they offered made ZERO sense. If they were making as many Rs as people wanted maybe I could see it.

 

[lemers]

I believe the option packages were after thoughts with a "forced" base price of under $50k.

I believe it was engineered to be a GT350 and a R like the Boss and Laguna Seca. I believe they messed up the car by making the Base and removing the coolers.

 

[firestarter2]

I believe the option packages were after thoughts with a "forced" base price of under $50k.

I believe it was engineered to be a GT350 and a R like the Boss and Laguna Seca. I believe they messed up the car by making the Base and removing the coolers.

Yeah joke is they didnt make any bases. They should not of made the R rare. I would of stretched to that.

 

[lemers]

They made a few, but really it was for marketing

 

[firestarter2]

They made a few, but really it was for marketing

I can see that 49K starting price probably got me interested even if i paid more.

 

[lemers]

Every magizine was talking about $49k but just try finding it.

Most dealer orders were Tech

Most Base cars were most likely customer orders.

 

[Hack]

Mine was ordered before the info was out and being built with no refund by the time the first limp mode came out.

I ordered what I did because I wanted a daily driver with comfort but I believed I was getting a car that could handle the claims from the advertising. I've never been to a track, but i didn't expect that when I finally do, I can't even get a standard 30 min sesson.

I feel my choices with the info at the time were reasonable. If I knew nothing then what I know now I too would have a track package car with an aftermark leather and nav.

Very similar to my experience. When I received my car last November I hadn't heard of any cooling issues yet.

 

[Spa2k]

For the record, I believe the GT350 Owner's Supplement was first posted here early August 2015 and stated:

"Operating at High Speeds and on Track Days

Your vehicle is capable of sustained high speeds and track day driving if equipped with powertrain coolers (Track, R model)."

 

[Hack]

For the record, I believe the GT350 Owner's Supplement was first posted here early August 2015 and stated:

"Operating at High Speeds and on Track Days

Your vehicle is capable of sustained high speeds and track day driving if equipped with powertrain coolers (Track, R model)."

I read that, but never in a million years would I have assumed that the car would go into limp mode as fast as it does and in cool ambient temperatures.

Based on the sum total of all the things I read, I assumed the GT350 would be able to outperform a base Mustang GT or other typical lower budget performance cars as far as time on a track. I believed the above statement was referring to hot days on the track - say above 90 F, and longer than a 30 minute session. I didn't need an "all day track car". I just needed 20-30 minute sessions in a relatively cool northern climate.

Plus, worst case I expected that since Ford said I might need coolers I would be able to purchase them from Ford Performance.

The most track capable Mustang ever...

By the way - I chose the specs for my car in May of 2015.

 

[firestarter2]

I read that, but never in a million years would I have assumed that the car would go into limp mode as fast as it does and in cool ambient temperatures.

Based on the sum total of all the things I read, I assumed the GT350 would be able to outperform a base Mustang GT or other typical lower budget performance cars as far as time on a track. I believed the above statement was referring to hot days on the track - say above 90 F, and longer than a 30 minute session. I didn't need an "all day track car". I just needed 20-30 minute sessions in a relatively cool northern climate.

Plus, worst case I expected that since Ford said I might need coolers I would be able to purchase them from Ford Performance.

The most track capable Mustang ever...

By the way - I chose the specs for my car in May of 2015.

Sorry that is a dumb set of assumptions. So at this point you are saying you had all the information before you bought but just hoped for the best

 

[Tank]

Sorry that is a dumb set of assumptions. So at this point you are saying you had all the information before you bought but just hoped for the best

So where in the literature, from Ford or others, where it warns base/tech gt350s will need coolers for 1) spirited driving on country roads, 2) while being stuck in stop and go traffic or 3) any other non-track situation where limp mode has occurred?

 

[Hack]

Sorry that is a dumb set of assumptions. So at this point you are saying you had all the information before you bought but just hoped for the best

No you are 100% wrong. Work harder at putting yourself in the position of knowing what we did in early 2015.

Why should I assume that the most track capable Mustang ever won't outperform a base Mustang GT on the track?

I picked the specs in May 2015. Last I checked May is before August. But there was some information about coolers prior to August of 2015. I'm thinking December 2014 or January 2015. I'm not exactly sure.

I knew at the time there was very little chance I would fit into the Recaros. Frankly the tech pack buckets are too narrow for me. I sit partially on the bolsters and I get a little hunched over because my shoulders don't fit. Also, my lats are wider than the seat so the center of my back doesn't touch. I couldn't get the tech seats with coolers. I did consider it a long time - I didn't really want the tech features, but I also wasn't thrilled about taking a new Recaro to an upholstery shop to be "fixed" or replacing the seats in a brand new car. I'm comfortable with my decision. It will be even better soon when I get the coolers added.

 

[Side_Pce]

I'm not sure why this argument is continuing guys? In the end Tech owners have to deal with the possibility their cars will go into limp OFF track. This is the problem ford will face. Wether or not Ford intended Tech cars to be tracked is irrelevant. If the car goes into limp on a highway or street, it's a problem period. They are addressing it apparently which is good. If this was limited to track driving then I understand the price of the upgrade. If street driving becomes a problem in warmer weather, Ford should be "ponying" up and eating the cost IMO.

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