2014 Z28 Assault Thread.

[JohnZiraldo]

Yes, we are going to the East Coast 50th... Are you coming down through Pittsburgh... We should try to do a Mustang March that stops in each major city on I95 to get more cars. We have enough time, we can plot out a course... It would be fun.

Mr. Pill,
Guaranteed! It will be a lot of fun.

I will be heading over to Dearborn MI to lead that group through Indianapolis, St. Louis, Tulsa etc. to Mustang OK.

There is however a spur starting in Boston that is scheduled to pass through Altoona and Wheeling on April 7 on it's way to Mustang OK. I will be helping that group coordinate with the Greater Pittsburg MC while in the Pittsburg area to pick up more cars. Actually all spurs will be coordinating with all Mustang Clubs and many Ford stores along their routes to arrange lunch stops, meet-up locations, local club sendoffs etc.

The Boston group will be meeting up with the Dearborn group in Dayton OH on the 8th, and then a group from Richmond VA will join up with us in St. Louis MO. Fun? Just imagine all 9 spurs coming together in Mustang OK, then partying for 4 days on the way to Charlotte, while the Z28s and ZL1s hide under their blankeys.

There is also an all-Canadian group lead by Joe DaSilva from DaSilva Racing heading down through Buffalo and going directly to Charlotte NC later in the month. I'm not sure of their route plans.

Lots more details in this thread http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=714

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[thePill]

Mr. Pill,
Guaranteed! It will be a lot of fun.

I will be heading over to Dearborn MI to lead that group through Indianapolis, St. Louis, Tulsa etc. to Mustang OK.

There is however a spur starting in Boston that is scheduled to pass through Altoona and Wheeling on April 7 on it's way to Mustang OK. I will be helping that group coordinate with the Greater Pittsburg MC while in the Pittsburg area to pick up more cars. Actually all spurs will be coordinating with all Mustang Clubs and many Ford stores along their routes to arrange lunch stops, meet-up locations, local club sendoffs etc.

The Boston group will be meeting up with the Dearborn group in Dayton OH on the 8th, and then a group from Richmond VA will join up with us in St. Louis MO. Fun? Just imagine all 9 spurs coming together in Mustang OK, then partying for 4 days on the way to Charlotte, while the Z28s and ZL1s hide under their blankeys.

There is also an all-Canadian group lead by Joe DaSilva from DaSilva Racing heading down through Buffalo and going directly to Charlotte NC later in the month. I'm not sure of their route plans.

Lots more details in this thread http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=714

John,

I live in Johnstown (next door to Altoona) so, I will be joining in Altoona (or Pittsburgh depending on the club. I will start a thread here to help coordinate the East Coast trip. Maybe coordinate with the other sites as well. I can make maps for each spur and meeting places for each stop.

 

[JohnZiraldo]

John,

I live in Johnstown (next door to Altoona) so, I will be joining in Altoona (or Pittsburgh depending on the club. I will start a thread here to help coordinate the East Coast trip. Maybe coordinate with the other sites as well. I can make maps for each spur and meeting places for each stop.

Good stuff Mr. Pill. I look forward to meeting you and having you on board with the Pony Drive planning.

To see the current plans for the Boston (ie. NORTHEAST) spur go to this page http://ponydrive.us/index.php?id=50th-birthday-pony-drive-route-details and select the "NORTHEAST (MASS - OK)" option. As you will see the plans are currently a long way from being complete.

FYI, The Great American Pony Drive (GAPD) Mustang driving club is coordinating all of the spurs going into Mustang OK, and then the grand caravans to the east and west. Each spur has a leader............... EXCEPT...................Wait for it...........................the NORTHEAST spur. Interested???

I am the temporary leader for the NORTHEAST spur as well as the Dearborn spur. The reason that I am involved is that I am a longtime member of the GAPD club and one of the few currently available in the North East.

Again an FYI. The GAPD is a group of Mustang owners and friends from all over the US, Canada, the UK, and New Zealand etc. who meet up each year (in the US or Canada), and go cruising somewhere for 2-3 weeks or sometimes more. We are a registered Mustang Club with the MCA, and we generally try to meet up with other MCA clubs along our routes and stop in at Ford stores and motorsport museums and businesses of interest. If it is Ford or Mustang related, we will use it as an excuse to go driving in our Mustangs, to make new friends, and to party.

The 50th Celebration Pony Drives are right up our alley.

 

[jimmythepage666]

I came to the conclusion that the pill doesnt realize this a while back. I guess some ppl didnt get the memo that win on sunday sell on monday died in the 80's.

Fact: None of the cars winning in the type of racing the pill keeps going on about are winning where its counts sales vs the competition.

Hmm seems familiar....

From another thread. "Winning on Sunday, selling on Monday"


Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
Again, with the BS. The Camaro is OUTSELLING THE MUSTANG. It outsold it last year and the year before. Only reason it didnt in 2010 is because sales didnt start until April.

What does that say about the Mustang?

Camaro:
2013 YTD: 50,281
2012: 88,249
2011: 81,229
2010: 61,648*

Mustang:
2013 YTD: 48,879
2012: 82,995
2011: 70,438
2010: 73,316

*Sales didnt start until April 2009


And again, winning on Sunday, selling on Monday DOES NOT WORK as evidenced by both out numbers. To deny that the Camaro is a shitty car because it hasnt won a championship is quite crazy but, I believe by your last post, you are crazy. The car is popular and it sells in higher numbers than the Mustang.

Me:
Everyone wanted bumblebee! That flashy car in transformers! That was the start of success for the 5th gen. A cheesy michael bay film with shameless GM product placement (all autobots were GM cars)

Keep that faith....:mullet::mullet::mullet:

 

[bballr4567]

For those that dont want to do the math, since 2011 the absolutely pitiful, comical, cant drive worth a shit Camaro has outsold the Mustang by 17447 units.

Now, That doesnt seem like much but also consider that the Camaro is more expensive, has less rebates for the 13s (possible $2000 vs possible $4000), has had less rebates for the whole model run and is supposedly a such a horrible performer I'd be a little worried.

 

[ThunderHorse]

For those that dont want to do the math, since 2011 the absolutely pitiful, comical, cant drive worth a shit Camaro has outsold the Mustang by 17447 units.

Now, That doesnt seem like much but also consider that the Camaro is more expensive, has less rebates for the 13s (possible $2000 vs possible $4000), has had less rebates for the whole model run and is supposedly a such a horrible performer I'd be a little worried.

Well considering 8 years of death, I'm not too surprised they out sell the mustang, lots of idle mullet fans to compensate

 

[bballr4567]

Well considering 8 years of death, I'm not too surprised they out sell the mustang, lots of idle mullet fans to compensate

Yea, I guess you had to sell a lot to the secretary fans as well.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Yea, I guess you had to sell a lot to the secretary fans as well.

nothing wrong with a cute Secretary in a nice car brother!

 

[jimmythepage666]

http://www.carscoops.com/2009/07/gm-pulls-out-camaro-videos-starring.html?m=1

What did the bumble boys ever do to you gm?

Homophobic gm lmao!

 

[jimmythepage666]

For those that dont want to do the math, since 2011 the absolutely pitiful, comical, cant drive worth a shit Camaro has outsold the Mustang by 17447 units.

That's only 7k since 2010 based on the numbers above. Regardless, 17k cars since 2011, but what about sales since the birth of both cars? Camaro has some serious catching up to do, better hope those incentives attract buyers. Come April 2014 things are going to be ugly for the camaro.

 

[jimmythepage666]

From a thread on ls1 tech.

Found this.

Since Mustang & Camaro sales have been brought up alot here lately, here is a historical list of yearly Mustang vs Camaro sales. Whenever needed, use it as a reference, or just cut & paste.

Notes:
1. Cobra production from 1965-1969 is not included (it was counted as a separate line by Ford).
2. Numbers preceded by an asterik (*) designates a redesigned .
3. I didn't include Firebird or Capri figures though they are similar cars. With Ford having only 4000 dealers to Chevrolet's 5000, I don't need to!!

Year: Mustang/Camaro
64:*121,583/NA
65: 559,451/NA
66: 607,568/NA
67: 474,121/*220,906
68: 317,404/ 235,147
68: 299,824/ 243,065
69: 299,824/ 243,065
70: 190,727/ 124,901
71:*149,678/*114,630
72: 125,093/ 114,630 (not a typo!)
73: 134,867/ 96,751
74:*385,993/ 151,008
75: 188,575/ 145,770
76: 187,567/ 182,959
77: 153,173/ 218,858
78: 192,410/ 272,631
79:*369,936/ 282,571
80: 271,322/ 152,005
81: 181,552/ 126,139
82: 130,418/*189,747
83: 120,873/ 154,318
84: 135,678/ 261,591
85: 156,514/ 180,018
86: 224,410/ 192,219
87: 159,145/ 137,760
88: 211,225/ 96,275
89: 209,769/ 110,850
90: 128,189/ 35,048
91: 98,737/ 101,316
92: 79,280/ 70,712
93: 114,228/ *39,755
94:*123,198/ 119,934
95: 185,986/ 122,844
96: 126,483/ 66,827
97: 100,254/ 95,812
98: 170,642/ 77,198
99: 126,067/ 42,098
00: 218,525/ 45,417
01: 155,162/ 29,009
(01 production stopped May 2001. 2002 had a lengthy run))
02: (not yet released)

Total 1965-2001: 7,899,556/ 4,821,768

From here.
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/show...uction+figures

Seems pretty dam accurate.

We can settle down with the sales argument...

 

[bballr4567]

That's only 7k since 2010 based on the numbers above. Regardless, 17k cars since 2011, but what about sales since the birth of both cars? Camaro has some serious catching up to do, better hope those incentives attract buyers. Come April 2014 things are going to be ugly for the camaro.

Are you predicting the Camaro's failure again just like it was in 2011 when the 5.0 was introduced? The Mustang HAS to outsell the Camaro when the new one comes out. Either way, the new Camaro is one year behind the Mustang.




Regarding sales, lets add in the Firebird sales as well which was 2,586,859. So for a combined total of 7,408,627. Pretty dang close. Shoot, if you subtract the first lead three years the Mustang had the Fbody cars actually outsold it. Just look at that drop off after the Camaro/Firebird was introduced.

Plus, the majority of those years the Fbody cars were much faster with way better handling. That just goes to show even in the golden era of win on Sunday, sell on Monday it still didnt even work.

 

[thePill]

Are you predicting the Camaro's failure again just like it was in 2011 when the 5.0 was introduced? The Mustang HAS to outsell the Camaro when the new one comes out. Either way, the new Camaro is one year behind the Mustang.




Regarding sales, lets add in the Firebird sales as well which was 2,586,859. So for a combined total of 7,408,627. Pretty dang close. Shoot, if you subtract the first lead three years the Mustang had the Fbody cars actually outsold it. Just look at that drop off after the Camaro/Firebird was introduced.

Plus, the majority of those years the Fbody cars were much faster with way better handling. That just goes to show even in the golden era of win on Sunday, sell on Monday it still didnt even work.

The S197 has sold a million cars since 2005, when the 5th Gen Camaro gets to a million, let me know.

The Coyote did turn the tables in 2011 which has been Ford's business plan since the Camaro has come back. Lay down their ace immediately. Ford had 3 years to ready an arsenal while the Camaro teased... Now, the Camaro is locked in a phase of constant research and development... Chevy never had time to make money with the 5th Gen. Sadly, it looks (according to Camaro5) that the 5th Gen has only accumulated about a billion dollars in sales... The 5th Gen has cost Chevy north of the 4 billion mark... Now, you figure in the Convertible, ZL1, 1LE, Z28 and '14 Refresh Research and Development and, Chevy isn't doing very well at all with the 5th Gen.

We already talked about the impact the Camaro had in Motorsport. The 2010 Season belong to the Coyote... and the 5th Gen has had a very poor showing since then.

Will the 2014 z28 really help the 2014 Camaro sales? Not at the lower production numbers... Will the z28 help the Camaro's image in Motorsports? Not with illegal racing components... Will the z28 be able to handle a 2015 GT350?

Stock OEM Mustang's haven't been this close to the Race offering since 1970, this is something NASCAR, Grand AM, SCCA and the FIA have made major rule changes to almost every class. That is slowing but surely returning to racing, BECAUSE, racing itself is in danger. Since it's success in Motorsport and the reemergence of the 5th Gen Camaro, the Mustang's sales have risen since 2009 (Mustang's lowest selling year ever).

Did the Camaro get people re-interested in the Mustang? Maybe, I think it's possible. Did multiple winning seasons, 1st/podium Mustang wins, NASCAR's Mustang, Championships in NHRA/IHRA, SCCA and NASA have an impact too? I think so... The styling and performance were both derived from Motorsports... At least for the Mustang.

The Camaro can't win on Sunday so naturally, if there is NO Transformers movie, the Camaro can't sell on Monday. The Camaro's sales have weakened since 2010... Even with new Transformers movies.

 

[jimmythepage666]

Are you predicting the Camaro's failure again just like it was in 2011 when the 5.0 was introduced? The Mustang HAS to outsell the Camaro when the new one comes out. Either way, the new Camaro is one year behind the Mustang.




Regarding sales, lets add in the Firebird sales as well which was 2,586,859. So for a combined total of 7,408,627. Pretty dang close. Shoot, if you subtract the first lead three years the Mustang had the Fbody cars actually outsold it. Just look at that drop off after the Camaro/Firebird was introduced.

Plus, the majority of those years the Fbody cars were much faster with way better handling. That just goes to show even in the golden era of win on Sunday, sell on Monday it still didnt even work.

Throwing in the firebird, and subtracting the first 3 years of mustang to make things closer eh? What if I add the sales from 2002-2009 for the mustang. That includes the intro of the retro look in 2005, and 0 (zero) sales for the camaro/fbody. Keep digging that sales hole for yourself.

So is it about sales or performance?

Did you like the bumble boys?

 

[bballr4567]

Just pointing out the numbers guys. You have to add in the Firebird. Even without subtracting the first three years of the Mustang sales the Fbody cars were within 2% (if I did my math right, lol) of the Mustang.

You keep insisting that winning on the track sells cars but where are the numbers to back it up? Give me that and I'll be proven wrong.

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