2014 Z28 Assault Thread.

[thePill]

Again?!?! Come on now. Do you just remember the wrong stats all the time?

In 2011, Stevenson Motorsports won races 7 and 8.

2012 they won races 8 and 9.

2013 they have won races 4 and 9.

Did you not see where I said Matt and Jeff petitioned against it?

I know you probably don't remember, or even paid attention but, Grand Am changed the M3 and Boss's restrictions mid season in 2011. This was done after the looming possibility of manufacturers pulling out. It gave the Camaro a 3 race dominating streak.

2011 was the first race they won since the 3rd place finish in 2010.

The Challenger and Camaro had the same amount of wins until 2012.

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[thePill]

Thanks Mr. Pill,
It looks like you may have to be a member of SCCA to get into the updates from the above page. I see the "Updated 8/16/13" pointer, but get nothing when I click on it. Probably need to be logged in.

FYI, if you have a keen eye, you just may see me out there in my Fox. It has about 280,000 miles on it, mostly from driving around in your fine country. Been to every state except Hawaii in it.

Any chance you will be joining one of the Pony Drives headed to Charlotte for the 50th? I will be leading one of the caravans through Ontario to Dearborn and on to Mustang OK in April. It's going to be a great party.

Yes, we are going to the East Coast 50th... Are you coming down through Pittsburgh... We should try to do a Mustang March that stops in each major city on I95 to get more cars. We have enough time, we can plot out a course... It would be fun.

 

[bballr4567]

A win is a win. You said ZERO wins which is false. Did the Camaro have wins in 2011? Very easy yes and no question right?

Grand Am is constantly changing the rules to get the cars as close together as possible.

 

[thePill]

A win is a win. You said ZERO wins which is false. Did the Camaro have wins in 2011? Very easy yes and no question right?

Grand Am is constantly changing the rules to get the cars as close together as possible.

Now your being dumb, the Camaro had ZERO wins and a single 3rd place finish mid season 2011 when the teams were dropped and had to finance themselves. This is what I said...

Chevy nearly pulled the Camaro out of Grand Am GS in 2011 due to ZERO wins and one 3rd place podium... Driver Matt Bell petitioned Chevy to not pull his ride... Grand Am made adjustments to the rules to help the Camaro (ended up winning 2 in a row) and then Grand Am reversed the rules after 3 races...

I know you probably don't remember, or even paid attention but, Grand Am changed the M3 and Boss's restrictions mid season in 2011. This was done after the looming possibility of manufacturers pulling out. It gave the Camaro a 3 race dominating streak.

They sucked, still suck and most likely continue to be awful. The Camaro has 2 more wins then the Challenger, FACT. Both cars are laughed at in GS.

The 5th Gen is NOT a good road racing platform... period, over it.

The z28 won't fix that... the 1LE did't even come close (see T2 2012-2013). Grand Am constantly changes the rules for the slower vehicles. This is protested almost every year... The Camaro, is one of those uncompetitive cars.

Stay on topic, your defense of one of Grand Am's least successful cars is comical. For some reason, your trying to justify your point by accumulating the Camaro's life time wins to compare them to a single Boss season. Desperate?

 

[bballr4567]

Chevy nearly pulled the Camaro out of Grand Am GS in 2011 due to ZERO wins and one 3rd place podium... Driver Matt Bell petitioned Chevy to not pull his ride... Grand Am made adjustments to the rules to help the Camaro (ended up winning 2 in a row) and then Grand Am reversed the rules after 3 races... In which the Camaro was never heard from again until 2012. There was a thread on Camaro5 (gone now) but the Jeff Bucknum "HELP" thread is still up...

Now your being dumb, the Camaro had ZERO wins and a single 3rd place finish mid season 2011 when the teams were dropped and had to finance themselves. This is what I said...

You did not say that had zero wins in by midseason. You have said zero wins for the whole 2011 season numerous times. Stop making shit up.



Look, if you want to keep changing your story go for it. Yet, you cant keep insisting you are telling facts because you are not. Its that freaking simple. Remember, YOU were the one that brought up the Grand Am racing record with incorrect facts and then get pissed when I say that you are wrong. Own up to your inaccuracies.

Stay on topic, your defense of one of Grand Am's least successful cars is comical. For some reason, your trying to justify your point by accumulating the Camaro's life time wins to compare them to a single Boss season. Desperate?

Desperate? Really? Then why has the Camaro have more wins than the Boss in Grand Am GS and you are trying to shove that aside?? What is the point?


For the actual record M6G peeps the Boss has had 1 win so far in the 2013 season. 2 wins in 2012. 4 wins in 2011.

Boss has had 7 wins since 2011. Camaro has had 6 wins since 2011.

If 6 wins is one of Grand Ams worst records then what do you consider a supposedly awesomely superior Mustang Boss that has 7?

 

[jimmythepage666]

An interesting read, with good points that have already been mentioned.
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/03/five-things-we-dislike-about-the-2014-camaro-z28/


This pig appears to be heaksoaking, while being piloted by a non-confident driver.

 

[thePill]

You did not say that had zero wins in by midseason. You have said zero wins for the whole 2011 season numerous times. Stop making shit up.



Look, if you want to keep changing your story go for it. Yet, you cant keep insisting you are telling facts because you are not. Its that freaking simple. Remember, YOU were the one that brought up the Grand Am racing record with incorrect facts and then get pissed when I say that you are wrong. Own up to your inaccuracies.


Desperate? Really? Then why has the Camaro have more wins than the Boss in Grand Am GS and you are trying to shove that aside?? What is the point?


For the actual record M6G peeps the Boss has had 1 win so far in the 2013 season. 2 wins in 2012. 4 wins in 2011.

Boss has had 7 wins since 2011. Camaro has had 6 wins since 2011.

If 6 wins is one of Grand Ams worst records then what do you consider a supposedly awesomely superior Mustang Boss that has 7?

Hey read my post. I said that LOUD, CLEAR and CONSECUTIVE.

Is 6 wins won of the worst records in GS?

Lets see...

Camaro=6 Wins
Challenger=4 Wins
WRX=4 Wins


LOL!!! It is a poor racing vehicle and has a really bad record. Not only that, Grand Am is the only place it has won. SCCA and NASA has a far greater GT/Boss showing. The Camaro is just bad, Chevy knows the chassis is bad, that's why they are changing it... It's too heavy.

You can't read what's posted and comprehend, I can't help you.


6 wins Worldwide in 4 seasons is really, really bad. Not Challenger or WRX bad but, that's the group the Camaro is in.

Not making anything up, your just not reading and understanding. Road racing is not a Camaro strong point... It has been proved Professionally and at the Amateur levels... It's actually quite sad you continue to throw those 6 wins out there. The Camaro's first year in Grand Am was terrible, a single third place in 2010 LOL!!!

The new Coyote GT's had 5 or 6 wins in 2010 alone... Not a hard thing to do with an awesome package just impossible for the Camaro. While I know your desperate to prove your little point, the Boss took over for the GT (which had about 12 wins the two years before, a Grand Am Championship before the Coyote and even more before that. Your 6 wins is equivalent to the Coyote's and Boss's maiden season. Huge restrictions were mandated for the Camaro/Chally/WRX to catch up. If it takes ALL THE CAMARO WINS TO EQUAL THE BOSS's, I'd say that is a pathetic comparison. Especially since the Camaro has and entire season without the Boss. Didn't really matter, the GT whooped its ass in 2010 anyway.

Now, back to the non-competitive z28... Which will not help the brand anywhere on this front. The Boss will be replaced with a far greater package soon.

 

[bballr4567]

Lets see, what was the competition in 2010 for the Boss and GT? Literally nothing.


I cant help the fact that you keep changing the story. First, it was zero wins. Second, it was they had no wins midseason. Now, with its one win behind the Mustang (since 2011) its a really poor record! To think Im the dumbass here.


Look, YOU BROUGHT UP GRAND AM GS AND LIED ABOUT THE WINS. If you cant take someone correcting you then post up the correct info.



As I have said before, road racing results mean squat for sales in this day and age. If that was the case the Mustang would be moving 3X as many vehicles as the Camaro yet it cant even manage to outsell it.


I applaud the attempts to steer the herd towards your fanatical ideals.

 

[thePill]

Lets see, what was the competition in 2010 for the Boss and GT? Literally nothing.


I cant help the fact that you keep changing the story. First, it was zero wins. Second, it was they had no wins midseason. Now, with its one win behind the Mustang (since 2011) its a really poor record! To think Im the dumbass here.


Look, YOU BROUGHT UP GRAND AM GS AND LIED ABOUT THE WINS. If you cant take someone correcting you then post up the correct info.



As I have said before, road racing results mean squat for sales in this day and age. If that was the case the Mustang would be moving 3X as many vehicles as the Camaro yet it cant even manage to outsell it.


I applaud the attempts to steer the herd towards your fanatical ideals.

The SS raced against the GT (No Boss) in the 2010 Grand Am season. The Camaro had a 3rd place finish late 2010. It didn't win a race until July 2011 in which the '11 GT and '12 Boss had over 10 wins in the same class over the same time period.

Get over it...

 

[thePill]

An interesting read, with good points that have already been mentioned.
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/03/five-things-we-dislike-about-the-2014-camaro-z28/


This pig appears to be heaksoaking, while being piloted by a non-confident driver.

LOL!!!!!!

What a disgrace... You might find this interesting, the z28 is supposedly much slower than the ZL1 at Nurburgring. Apparently, the z28 is having a hard time overcoming the ZL1's speeds at The Ring. It is said the ZL1 is 12mph faster down the 3km straight... The ZL1 and z28 are about equal in turns...

LOL!!! I want to see the video...

The top speed of the z28 is said to be about 170, the ZL1 topped out at the Ring at 173 (186 top speed). The transmissions are identical up to 5th gear... This means the z28 needs to beat that 7:41 in the corners... Most in which are high speed, ZL1 favored turns.

 

[jimmythepage666]

LOL a 2014 gt passing a ZL1, nice little wave there! ^^^^

Wouldn't the MRC on the ZL1 be better for uneven portions of the track as well? Didn't you post this somewhere?



Is it just me, or does that thing look hoppy/difficult to push?

 

[bballr4567]

Let's change facts for our own arguments. That's the way of the world I guess. I'll let you get on with the stupid rant against the Camaro.

 

[jimmythepage666]

Let's change facts for our own arguments. That's the way of the world I guess. I'll let you get on with the stupid rant against the Camaro.

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[Da B.O.M.B]

As I have said before, road racing results mean squat for sales in this day and age. If that was the case the Mustang would be moving 3X as many vehicles as the Camaro yet it cant even manage to outsell it.

I came to the conclusion that the pill doesnt realize this a while back. I guess some ppl didnt get the memo that win on sunday sell on monday died in the 80's.

Fact: None of the cars winning in the type of racing the pill keeps going on about are winning where its counts sales vs the competition.

 

[thePill]

I came to the conclusion that the pill doesnt realize this a while back. I guess some ppl didnt get the memo that win on sunday sell on monday died in the 80's.

Fact: None of the cars winning in the type of racing the pill keeps going on about are winning where its counts sales vs the competition.

American Road Racing organizations are not doing well. Over the last two years, NASCAR (Grand Am/ALMS) is making great strides to bring OEM racing back. The Fusion's success isn't injured by its NASCAR presence... and I know the Mustang hasn't had its notoriety diminished by competitions in the SCCA/Grand Am.

The illusion that racing doesn't matter is absurd. Sales, performance and reputation are on the line...

This escapes most... Team Corvette has a GREAT grasp on this concept.


It completely escapes the Camaro...

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