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[Mike Pfeifer]

Is there any possible effect on wear, positive or negative?

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[MROCGUY]

will this work with the 6 speed autos as well?

 

[MAGS1]

will this work with the 6 speed autos as well?

6R’s are not adaptive that I’m aware of. I had one and it did not behave like the A10 does

 

[MAGS1]

They were smooth to begin with for me and still smooth. However my transmission most likely has a mechanical issue so I’m getting that checked out next week. Hopefully in a perfect scenario my car will shift perfectly smooth in normal as well

Just a suggestion, turn the adaptive learning back on before you go to the dealer (if you’re going to the dealer and are still under warranty). Don’t give them a reason to try ti deny something that might be covered under warranty

 

[K4fxd]

6R’s are not adaptive that I’m aware of.

The 6R is adaptive. I don't know if Forscan will turn it off. I will look because I hate the adaptive turning my trans into a slush box.

 

[MAGS1]

The 6R is adaptive. I don't know if Forscan will turn it off. I will look because I hate the adaptive turning my trans into a slush box.

Interesting, didn’t realize the 6R is also adaptive. I don’t recall mine ever hunting for gears like the A10 does, is it just learning driving habits for shift points?

 

[K4fxd]

It learns shift firmness, in other words it finds ways to soften the shifts.

 

[WildHorse]

I don’t see how it could. It’s just stopping the computer from trying to guess and learn your driving habits and instead makes it behave like a normal auto transmission.

An adaptive learn the style of the driver, but over minutes, not miles. Essentially, if you start to brake hard and accelerate hard it'll start to go into a mode where it delays upshifts and downshifts earlier.

 

[vaeevictiss]

Curious if this is my issue. I always looked for this but never found it in forscan. just had my car at the dealer Monday for some various shift issues and they said its the CDF drum issue a lot of people have. They want to pull the trans and rebuild but don't expect the parts until mid September.

But maybe this is all it is. I don't even have 13k miles on the car so it seems really weird I'm having the CDF issue when every post or article online I've read where people mention their mileage its usually over 40k at least.

Whats the difference between halt and stop? guessing halt will turn back on when you start the car again?

 

[Lukas]

I went in to Forscan today and noticed a slight difference:
The text for stop says "stop use of the transmission adaptive tables"
The text for halt says "stop transmission adaptive learning and measure slip time"

I wasn't game to click halt, so I've just cleared my tables and gone with stop. Will see how it goes.

 

[vaeevictiss]

Ya I stopped mine a couple weeks ago and admittedly I don't drive it much anymore now that I have a company vehicle for commuting, but it seemed to make a noticable difference. I don't get the hard, sloppy, upshifts and the downshifts are fast and accurate. I kinda laughed when I did a fast slowdown from highway speed and the downshift sound and feel reminded me of a GT500 lol. Not nearly as fast... Or as good sounding... But it have that vibe to it.

At this point I honestly don't understand the point of adaptive learning or what the hell Ford's intentions were with it but I see no positives to it.

I'm waiting for Ford to rebuild my trans due to what they think is the CDF drum issue but honestly it's driving great now so it may have been that the whole time. I guess I'll still let them rebuild it with the revised parts while I can get get it covered under warranty but once it's done I'm turning the adaptive off again and throwing on my ESS kit that is sitting in my kitchen lol.

 

[vaeevictiss]

What issues where you having with your transmission?

So they were random and hard to duplicate but I would get sloppy and very hard shifts throughout the range but mostly lower gears. It would do it in S or D.

Also, and it seemed to only do it when warmed up but say I'm sitting at a red light, light turns green, start accelerating. The gear in the dash changes from 1 to 2 but then the car just kinda hangs for a second or two. Like you're giving it gas, but it's not accelerating. Almost like it was slipping but it didn't feel like it was a slip. Hard to explain I guess. But then it would resume accelerating like normal.

It didn't do it every time, again, random like the first issue. But it would only do it with a very light acceleration from a stop. It never did it with a heavier or moderate acceleration.

I finally took it to the dealer because I wanted it fixed before I supercharge it obviously. I was sure it was gonna drive perfect for them but they came back and said, we think it's the CDF drum and the transmission has to come out. I suspected this because I had read a ton about it before taking it in. I guess there's a bushing that press fit in the drum that slips and let's fluid into places it shouldn't be. Supposedly the revised version has that bushing welded so it doesn't move. At least I read that in a thread here.

They reset the adaptives again and it drove the shit all the way home. Like shifting hard enough to chirp the tires and I got 305s in the back. That's when I finally said fuck this and shut it off.

It's just aggravating because I wanted to have my ESS kit on by now and I'm still two weeks out from them having a slot to get my car in. Then they said they may have it for a week or two. Like wtf?! There's dudes that can pull, rebuild, and replace in 1-2 days. So w/e.

 

[ZXMustang]

So they were random and hard to duplicate but I would get sloppy and very hard shifts throughout the range but mostly lower gears. It would do it in S or D.

Also, and it seemed to only do it when warmed up but say I'm sitting at a red light, light turns green, start accelerating. The gear in the dash changes from 1 to 2 but then the car just kinda hangs for a second or two. Like you're giving it gas, but it's not accelerating. Almost like it was slipping but it didn't feel like it was a slip. Hard to explain I guess. But then it would resume accelerating like normal.

It didn't do it every time, again, random like the first issue. But it would only do it with a very light acceleration from a stop. It never did it with a heavier or moderate acceleration.

I finally took it to the dealer because I wanted it fixed before I supercharge it obviously. I was sure it was gonna drive perfect for them but they came back and said, we think it's the CDF drum and the transmission has to come out. I suspected this because I had read a ton about it before taking it in. I guess there's a bushing that press fit in the drum that slips and let's fluid into places it shouldn't be. Supposedly the revised version has that bushing welded so it doesn't move. At least I read that in a thread here.

It's just aggravating because I wanted to have my ESS kit on by now and I'm still two weeks out from them having a slot to get my car in. Then they said they may have it for a week or two. Like wtf?! There's dudes that can pull, rebuild, and replace in 1-2 days. So w/e.

These arent issues, they are normal operation. Might not seem like it should be normal, but its normal across the entire line of these with the 10R80.

Also do me a favor, DONT EVER drive a 10 speed camaro if you are bitter about the mustang trans. You'll be trading in yours in a minute. The camaro 10 speed programming is among the best in the business. You dont even know that car has a trans, thats how good it shifts. Same with WOT, its just magic. Man I miss my ZL1...

 

[vaeevictiss]

Oh I've heard. And it's why I'm convinced it's just Ford's sloppy tuning. The 10 speed it a fantastic transmission.

And by you saying it runs great in the Camaros makes it clear that yes, those are issues and not normal operation.

If it were normal operation those issues wouldn't go away when you disable adaptive, replace the CDF drum, or just do a complete rebuild with Suncoast parts.

 

[ZXMustang]

Oh I've heard. And it's why I'm convinced it's just Ford's sloppy tuning. The 10 speed it a fantastic transmission.

And by you saying it runs great in the Camaros makes it clear that yes, those are issues and not normal operation.

Im saying its normal for Ford TCM calibration. Even great tuners struggle to get the trans to shift smooth in all scenarios. Yeah it shouldnt be normal, but unfortunately in these cars it is. Im sure someone someday will come out with a TCM calibration thats really great, but so far its just good. The stock camaro calibration for the TCM is great. So is the hellcat ZF8 speed. Those are butter smooth and always seem to be in the right gear.

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