2028 Camaro 7th Gen is Coming

[WItoTX]

But the motor will be the motor they run in competition. Meaning it will work.

It would be nice if Ford would do that instead of just throwing a SC on top and never getting real world mileage on a competition motor. This is why the Corvette track cars are reliable and work, and the GTD isn't competitive in sanctioned race series.

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[IPOGT]

Visibility is something the next generation Camaro needs to address. Trunk opening is #2. I'm used to the visibility in my 5th gen but can understand how it would be an issue for some. The car needs to be more daily driver friendly. My son doesn't appreciate loading his hockey bag into the trunk but it just barely works. This past weekend we had two hockey bags loaded in the car, one in the trunk and one on top of the folded down rear seats. The car is just practical enough when my wife needs the 4Runner. I can't imagine less space but thats not why I didn't upgrade to a 6th gen. That was mostly a money thing, or lack thereof. A new Camaro needs to strike a balance of sporty and practical enough to daily drive.

To add to James post above the 5th gen automatic V8 came with the L99. Also a 6.2 liter but with cylinder deactivation. It was rated at 400hp as opposed to the 426hp you got with the manual which was another reason to go with three pedals.

I wanted to like it but the 6G Camaro made me feel like I’m sitting in a bathtub.

 

[Hack]

OK, 7th Gen Camaro it is. I think the 7 Gen Camaro, based on the low number of photos available, is like a pasta dish you put in the freezer and then heat it up five years later. It is still the same dish. It is kind of a parts bin car selected from new and improved parts developed during the freezer suspension. Yeah the Corvette engine puts a buzz on the car. Probably running same 6 Gen transmissions. New chassis platform. The body is 6 Gen with jaguar theme sheet metal. To me it lacks innovation status. It is not the same Camaro 6, just a different same Camaro 6. I do not see waiting lines to purchase. I think Gen 7 Camaro will command the same market share Gen 6 did. Which was not stellar.

Well, hopefully it is mostly the same. Great car. I'd like to see the new one be a little more comfortable, like seats that recline a little more, tires with more sidewall and slightly softer initial hit on the shocks. I'd love it if they improved the engine by removing direct injection and the collapsing lifters.

But the motor will be the motor they run in competition. Meaning it will work.

It would be nice if Ford would do that instead of just throwing a SC on top and never getting real world mileage on a competition motor. This is why the Corvette track cars are reliable and work, and the GTD isn't competitive in sanctioned race series.

I didn't realize GM used displacement on demand in their racing engines. Do the racing engines have the main bearing issues like the production 6.2 as well?

 

[9secondko]

With the new LS6, the Camaro is going to be a monster. The Alpha platform is already ahead of the game. couple that with GMs suspension design, unbelievable new V8, and you have a very difficult proposition for the S650. Ford really needs to get it together with its icon.

 

[WItoTX]

Well, hopefully it is mostly the same. Great car. I'd like to see the new one be a little more comfortable, like seats that recline a little more, tires with more sidewall and slightly softer initial hit on the shocks. I'd love it if they improved the engine by removing direct injection and the collapsing lifters.



I didn't realize GM used displacement on demand in their racing engines. Do the racing engines have the main bearing issues like the production 6.2 as well?

The z06 is the fpc. So is the GTD car.

 

[9secondko]

The z06 is the fpc. So is the GTD car.

Eh?

 

[martinjlm]

The z06 is the fpc. So is the GTD car.

Eh?

As @WltoTX is saying, the GM racing engines are 5.5L flat plane crank DOHC. The Active Fuel Management engines are 6.2L OHV engines. Camaro will have the 6.7L OHV engines that are the 6th generation of "Chevy Small Block" engines.

 

[WItoTX]

Eh?

The motors run in, say, the Supercar series don't have issues. The 6.2 in the Camaro is considered pretty reliable by most standards. The 5.5 in the Corvette has held up extremely well too.

The only stuff GM does poorly is the AFM, and now the bearings, which aren't limited to the 6.2. Basically, I think they turned up the dial on everything rather being their traditionally conservative selves, and the ancillary stuff started failing.

Where as Ford, they've been pushing the limit with what the Coyote can do since what, 2012? Really thin walls, tiny water gaps, concentrated oil flow passages....the coyote was really the first big DOHC engine made in America. Yes there has been others, but not in that displacement and configuration.

I really want to see what the Camaro clay models look like. Really curious if they do go 4 door.

 

[Hack]

The motors run in, say, the Supercar series don't have issues. The 6.2 in the Camaro is considered pretty reliable by most standards. The 5.5 in the Corvette has held up extremely well too.

The only stuff GM does poorly is the AFM, and now the bearings, which aren't limited to the 6.2. Basically, I think they turned up the dial on everything rather being their traditionally conservative selves, and the ancillary stuff started failing.

Where as Ford, they've been pushing the limit with what the Coyote can do since what, 2012? Really thin walls, tiny water gaps, concentrated oil flow passages....the coyote was really the first big DOHC engine made in America. Yes there has been others, but not in that displacement and configuration.

I really want to see what the Camaro clay models look like. Really curious if they do go 4 door.

Yeah I don't really like any of the changes to the Coyote since 2017. Ford should have just added some cubic inches, but they hate engines. They could make a simpler design that is rebuildable, but instead it continues to get more complex, less reliable and more expensive to repair.

GM has had engine issues, but at least they are trying to improve their engines. Lots of new cool designs vs. Ford sticking with a cost reduced version of a 2011 design.

If GM goes 4 door and still calls it Camaro, I'm out. I don't think they will Mach E the Camaro, though. GM has lots of good names to use for a 4 door family sedan repeat of the GTO.

 

[martinjlm]

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I really want to see what the Camaro clay models look like. Really curious if they do go 4 door.

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If GM goes 4 door and still calls it Camaro, I'm out. I don't think they will Mach E the Camaro, though. GM has lots of good names to use for a 4 door family sedan repeat of the GTO.

I'll be the contrarian. BMW 4-Series M. Sweet 4-door performance car.

Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing - Basically a Camaro ZL1 with more class. And a manual.

Dodge Charger - was always a 2-door until it wasn't. Offered in the same showroom with the 2-door Challenger. Outsold it in every trim, including Hellcat.

I wouldn't be surprised if GM offers both a 2-door and a 4-door off the Chevrolet Alpha car. Question is, would both be called Camaro or would the 2-door be Camaro and the 4-door Impala? Or Malibu?

 

[geep81]

is like a pasta dish you put in the freezer and then heat it up five years later.

Then I guess that makes the Mustang that it will compete with lukewarm leftovers from last week?

This Camaro will be going up a S550-based platform that work started on almost 20 years ago by 2027-2028 right?

 

[Hack]

I'll be the contrarian. BMW 4-Series M. Sweet 4-door performance car.

Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing - Basically a Camaro ZL1 with more class. And a manual.

Dodge Charger - was always a 2-door until it wasn't. Offered in the same showroom with the 2-door Challenger. Outsold it in every trim, including Hellcat.

I wouldn't be surprised if GM offers both a 2-door and a 4-door off the Chevrolet Alpha car. Question is, would both be called Camaro or would the 2-door be Camaro and the 4-door Impala? Or Malibu?

Oh, I totally understand that 4 door vehicles can sell well. I was just saying what I personally am interested in buying. I have a bias against 4 doors and I won't buy one. I prefer smaller cars (as long as I still fit in them). I also prefer the appearance of 2 door vehicles by far.


I also think that GM shouldn't throw away good names or change what they are used for. Don't use Corvette for an SUV or Camaro for a 4 door. GM has plenty of great names that are traditionally applied to 4 door cars.

 

[9secondko]

The motors run in, say, the Supercar series don't have issues. The 6.2 in the Camaro is considered pretty reliable by most standards. The 5.5 in the Corvette has held up extremely well too.

The only stuff GM does poorly is the AFM, and now the bearings, which aren't limited to the 6.2. Basically, I think they turned up the dial on everything rather being their traditionally conservative selves, and the ancillary stuff started failing.

Where as Ford, they've been pushing the limit with what the Coyote can do since what, 2012? Really thin walls, tiny water gaps, concentrated oil flow passages....the coyote was really the first big DOHC engine made in America. Yes there has been others, but not in that displacement and configuration.

I really want to see what the Camaro clay models look like. Really curious if they do go 4 door.

thanks. Missed a key chunk of context in the preceding posts.
Also looking forward to the seeing the aesthetics of the car. Prefer if they don’t go four door.

 

[Hack]

The motors run in, say, the Supercar series don't have issues. The 6.2 in the Camaro is considered pretty reliable by most standards. The 5.5 in the Corvette has held up extremely well too.

The only stuff GM does poorly is the AFM, and now the bearings, which aren't limited to the 6.2. Basically, I think they turned up the dial on everything rather being their traditionally conservative selves, and the ancillary stuff started failing.

Where as Ford, they've been pushing the limit with what the Coyote can do since what, 2012? Really thin walls, tiny water gaps, concentrated oil flow passages....the coyote was really the first big DOHC engine made in America. Yes there has been others, but not in that displacement and configuration.

To be fair, most "issues" with the Coyote are people complain about noises. The 6.2 actually has significant frequency of catastrophic failure of lifters and main bearings. The Coyote has been by far much more reliable from an engine failure standpoint.

And Ford didn't cheap out implementing DI. They kept port injection as well to reduce maintenance issues. I don't like DI, but you are not going to prevent carbon buildup without retaining port injection.

 

[WItoTX]

To be fair, most "issues" with the Coyote are people complain about noises. The 6.2 actually has significant frequency of catastrophic failure of lifters and main bearings. The Coyote has been by far much more reliable from an engine failure standpoint.

And Ford didn't cheap out implementing DI. They kept port injection as well to reduce maintenance issues. I don't like DI, but you are not going to prevent carbon buildup without retaining port injection.

Agreed. The 6.2 failures in the cars are on track though. Where everything is a consumable. The 6.2 in trucks, different story.

My point is, the architecture of the motor, how water was designed to flow, how oil returns to the pan, the baffling in the pan, the OPGs, I think GM does a better job with those than Ford. Ford used inferred temps on so much, rather than just putting a temp sensor in.

Part of the complication, compared to a pushrod V8 IMO, is because of the DOHC set up. Don't get me wrong, I am all for the DOHC. BUT...it's a totally different world from pushrods.

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