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Don't flame me for this take. While I get and appreciate how it is a great thing that both Ford and Chevrolet are going back and forth, but did anyone hear about the MR Porsche 911 GT3RS record the same day? The Manthey Racing equipped GT3RS, with 518 horsepower and only the upgraded aero and suspension went 6:45.389 the very same day as the GTD Competition. Say what you will, but if we are praising the GTD Competition, which I get since we are supporting our Mustangs on a Mustang forum, but damn that Porsche time is impressive as heck! Who knows how much extra power the GTD Competition has over the the regular GTD to get down to 6:40, but the Porsche makes no engine performance changes for Manthey Racing. Something tells me that the upcoming GT2RS and the supposed next gen GT3 and GT3RS that IMHO will get the T hybrid turbo assist treatment, are about to tell both Chevy and Ford to "Hold my beer!" and go into the high to mid 6:30's with still less power than both. I am not the biggest Ring fan, but I do appreciate watching road racing and look at IMSA racing enjoying the GT Pro class with the Ford GT3 and C8 Z.R.
porsche’s car is tiny and weighs 1,000 lbs less less than the GTD. It’s also way more aerodynamic than the s650 brick shape. it’s also a 2 seater from the ground up with the engine over the wheels providing inherently better traction. The crazier conparison is how well it works conpared to the core vette which has even better aero and the same inherent traction advantage.

the fact that ford can take a car that’s really a 4 seater, just with the back seats removed, that was originally built to be a convenient car to live with and made it handle better than these stripped down sports car designs is incredible. It makes sense they’d need more of something to overcome tje disadvantages it was born with. But dang. Just when we had lost hope, the thing goes and eats the whole box of Wheaties and comes out swinging.
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porsche’s car is tiny and weighs 1,000 lbs less less than the GTD. It’s also way more aerodynamic than the s650 brick shape. it’s also a 2 seater from the ground up with the engine over the wheels providing inherently better traction. The crazier conparison is how well it works conpared to the core vette which has even better aero and the same inherent traction advantage.
Excuses, excuses, or something someone once said to me - just kidding. I agree with you here but I think it fair to say that the little German beast does a heck of a job on the track. I'd love to see what it can do with another 100-150hp.
 

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Excuses, excuses, or something someone once said to me - just kidding. I agree with you here but I think it fair to say that the little German beast does a heck of a job on the track. I'd love to see what it can do with another 100-150hp.
LOL. We finally agree on something. There should be a cabinet with popcorn and soda here somewhere.

Porsche has done a heck of a job for a long time with so little. It used to frustrate me as a kid when my monster v8 engine and hot rod style mustang would struggle with a frog-shaped thing from Europe.

my mom who is from Germany was all proud of their cars. Especially the suspensions and how getting a drivers license required you to know so much more about your car. They’re quite serious about it.

and now… the Americans have one-upped the Germans. Well… Ford has. And as a mustang fan since youth who lived through the shame of the fox-4 and sn-95 vs f-body years, it sure feels danged good.

when they posted the mark 4 stuff, I thought they’d given up on the GTD with some sneaky blurring the goal lines stuff. Glad to see Thsys not the case.

still think they should go ahead and have a Batmobile edition of the GTD though -since only Bruce Wayne can afford one anyways… but I digress…

[side note] Anyway, here’s hoping that Ford gets back to advancing the non-unobtainium mustang’s performance in generational, qualitatively and quantitatively meaningingful ways in order to not just compete with, but BEAT the new Camaro. That new LS6 is a serious piece of work. Ford needs to exceed it.
 
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This time in this car is the biggest news for us underdog mustang lovers. Even though it costs a lot, a true brand new model takes a ton of cash to create and bring to market, hence the high cost. True bragging rights across the entire car world, gotta give it to Ford, when ever I bump into ZR1x owners or Porche folks, I love to hear their take on this time on this fat heavy beast beating them all.
 

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I still refuse to pay 350k for a mustang
 

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and now… the Americans have one-upped the Germans. Well… Ford has.
For now.

Ve Germans have no sense of humor in these matters, and will return with a vengeance.

*shakes fist in air*
 

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For now.

Ve Germans have no sense of humor in these matters, and will return with a vengeance.

*shakes fist in air*
Why this is most certainly true and portends a possible new round of extreme capability and competitiveness, thrre has been a paradigm shift.

the Americans now actually CARE about the Burburgring and handling in general. Where you had niche pockets of people until this in the past, it’s now everywhere.

America has always had some great engines. But we’ve not really focused on suspensions. With the GTD, the C8, and upcoming vehicles, this is changed.

The German cars cost a lot for what they do. And now American cars have models in that territory. While Germany has been at this forever, Ford and Chevy not so much. And with the GTand C8 being midengine, the long-standing inherent Porsche traction advantage is zero’s out.

What’s crazy is that a front-engine, 4 seater (yeah yeah…2seats removed blah blah) at was able to exceed those cars that were bred at the CAD table for the ‘Ring.

personally, I think ford would have really made a world-changing splash if they priced the Gtd in dark horse sc track pack territory and called it GT500.

because then the story would have been the regular mustang is so great now that they whooped porche’s best on their own track.
 

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I still refuse to pay 350k for a mustang
So it would have to say what badge on it for you to buy? Even though fastest car on the Ring the badge not up to your standard? I used to feel the same, but this car is different.
 

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this is quite impressive. even more so when you consider how g*d damn bumpy that damn track is.
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