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My analysis

1) The reason it is "okay" for Starwars7 to duplicate story lines or ideas from 1977 Starwars, is because this allows two things two occur: a) They can verify if the 1977 formula works on kids from 2015. b) This movie took the opportunity to use mechanical props and this helped force people to see much less "green screen" backdrops. It helps set the tone and expectations of this movie and the next movies. (The movie is saying: relax, do not worry about seeing Jar jar binks and a digital Yoda). This was important.

2) I will complain such that this movie has too many spaceship to spaceship combat sequences. (But they did this to help sell toys and to keep kids interested and help them remain in their seats. I did see 2 year olds at this movie for some strange reason.)

3) This movie DOES TRY HARD to be sure the characters are much more than just "standing around" looking pretty. No one in this movie does that except maybe Chewbacca. This movie has a great human feel. Fin and Poe. Fin and Rey. Han and Chewy. It was dramatic yet had the same campy or comical expectations where you would expect it to happen.

4) There is no denying that hiring Daisy Ridley pretty much is going to solve any complaints or issues with all 3 of these new movies. She is 100 percent elegant yet athletic and believable. I saw this in the biggest IMAX theater which exists located in Fort Worth. Interestingly she has her foreign accent but FIN has a foreign accent also but for the movie, he hides his accent and he is using an "American" accent.

5) I am not saying this to be negative, but I think Star Wars fans better be prepared for Star Wars 8 to be similar to Empire Strikes back. Due to how successful SW7 was, they have no choice now except to duplicate ideas from Empire Strikes back and they have to do this for the 2015 Millennial crowd who does not care about older star wars movies. I fully expect something very bad to happen to Rey. She will end up with a mechanical hand or foot probably. Or this will happen to Fin. Look what happened to Luke. It might be more efficient for the next movie to focus more on Fin and Poe. This allows the story to become more original. Fin and Poe could join up with Chewbacca.

6) I would not assume R2D2 and C3PO will automatically have large roles in SW8. They might barely be seen on purpose again to tease the audience.

7) This next movie will likely show upgrades to all of the space ships. I doubt they will keep using X-wing crafts and the tie-fighters. Though it would be less expensive for SW8 to use the crafts they already built.

8) I was in shock and awe that SW7 duplicated so many things from the millennium falcon including the Gun/computer chair which Fin sat down in and everything he saw was a match with 1977 star wars. In one part of the movie, Rey may have used binoculars, and yet again, whatever she saw in the binoculars looked identical to what Luke saw in his binoculars in 1977.

9) The Kylo Ren character would have been the most difficult role to play in the entire movie. I would say to not be too judgmental about anything having to do with this actor and his portrayal. To me it was believable enough and in 2015, the movie will need someone with his kind of appearance for this role. He seemed to look very tall. My belief is if his character was needed for this movie, he did about as best as he could. He was a good choice if he is supposed to be a nemesis for Rey. They had to be careful with picking the person for this role.

10) I am curious how Carrie Fisher could have lost so much of her voice. Harrison Ford still has his same sounding voice. I am glad she is in this movie. It might be good if she can be in SW8 and SW9 if possible.

11) This just made me laugh, but I will bet A LARGE amount of money that the next movie will have a cameo of Lando Callrissian. People have asked this actor about this topic and he says "i don't know" but he probably DOES know. They are keeping things like this a secret of course. Lando seemed to know Chewbacca extremely well. Lando should still live in the clouds I would assume running some kind of business.

12) I fully expect to see Ewoks at some point in either SW8 or SW9. The current video game shows them on Endor, and the video game allows you to drive the landspeeder antigravity craft.

This movie was pretty much a remake but I do not see anything wrong with the movie at all. I do plan to see it again at the Omni Gigantic Imax in Fort Worth. :headbang:
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4) There is no denying that hiring Daisy Ridley pretty much is going to solve any complaints or issues with all 3 of these new movies. She is 100 percent elegant yet athletic and believable.
I agree big time. She was perfect for the role.

5) I fully expect something very bad to happen to Rey. She will end up with a mechanical hand or foot probably. Or this will happen to Fin. Look what happened to Luke. It might be more efficient for the next movie to focus more on Fin and Poe. This allows the story to become more original. Fin and Poe could join up with Chewbacca.

Fin was left severely wounded at the end of the film, looked like a spine injury by how Kylo/Ben finished him. I expect him to have less than a perfect recovery with cybernetic elements thrown in. He will be in agony and it will be Rey that suffers with him IMO. Her Force sensitivity will make her feel what he feels and it could tear her apart.
 

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Loved the movie! The nostalgia was undeniable and intentional. This is a reboot with a new director(s) and entire new future. I think the remaining films with be in an entirely new direction.

My thoughts, nothing set in stone in my mind;
  • I want to believe Rey is Luke's daughter/granddaughter(Luke is in his 70's at this point), wouldn't surprise me if she were born of midi-chlorians directly like Anakin
  • Snoke is Darth Plaugius, Palpatine/Sideous' former master who mastered reanimation/life after death
  • Snoke is not actually that big, just the projection for effect
  • Ben will go through redemption sooner than Vader, will have to fight a loved one who we believe to be good and turns to the dark side(potentially Luke)
  • Han returns, has an explanation similar to Luke falling in Cloud City after fighting Vader the first time.
  • Maz is the same species as Yoda

My favorite scenes;
  • X-Wing dogfight at Maz's castle!! Loved the POV and shots from the ground as Poe opened up a keg of whoopass!
  • Rey turning the mind-reading tables on Kylo
  • Daniel Craig's stormtropper as Rey uses the Jedi mindtrick on him. "Aaand I'll drop my weapon"
This was my favorite part of the movie. Just saw it for the first time last night.
 

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I think my main issue with her being Luke's daughter is that it seems too obvious. I think she is part of the skywalker family in one form or another but something more has to be to it. The lightsaber didn't call out to Luke or give him visions like it did Rey. I think she's more powerful than Luke and has had considerable training in combat. I like the theory of her being a reincarnation of Anakin but doubt that's true. They have to explain something about the Force ghosts and why Anakin isn't telling Ben/Kylo he's an idiot for trying to worship the Vader darkside of himself.

Kylo is by far my favorite part of this new trilogy. He's so unstable and everything about him is just a ticking time bomb. I can't wait to see ep. 8.
 

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They have to explain something about the Force ghosts and why Anakin isn't telling Ben/Kylo he's an idiot for trying to worship the Vader darkside of himself.

Kylo is by far my favorite part of this new trilogy. He's so unstable and everything about him is just a ticking time bomb. I can't wait to see ep. 8.
I firmly believe they will go down that road communicating with the Force Ghosts. I bet that's what Luke has been doing in seclusion at the Jedi temple. This will allow them to work in fan favorites Yoda, Obi-Wan, Mace, Qui-Gon and of course a version of Anakin and Darths Sidious. The final season of the Clone Wars animated series, which is still official cannon even touched on Force ghosts communication. This all ties into my theory that the prophecy of the chosen one was not fulfilled. Can't wait to see how it turns out.

I agree with you, Kylo is the Anakin Skywalker we deserved in the prequel trilogy. :cheers:
 

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George Lucas seems to be bitter that he sold out to Disney. Saying the film wasn't what he would had wanted, but made specifically for the fans. He also called Disney "white slavers", I don't know where he was going with that. But he seems upset that Disney didn't use any of his notes and went a completely different direction with the series.


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I firmly believe they will go down that road communicating with the Force Ghosts. I bet that's what Luke has been doing in seclusion at the Jedi temple. This will allow them to work in fan favorites Yoda, Obi-Wan, Mace, Qui-Gon and of course a version of Anakin and Darths Sidious. The final season of the Clone Wars animated series, which is still official cannon even touched on Force ghosts communication. This all ties into my theory that the prophecy of the chosen one was not fulfilled. Can't wait to see how it turns out.

I agree with you, Kylo is the Anakin Skywalker we deserved in the prequel trilogy. :cheers:
I'm working on the Clone Wars series now. :)
 

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My new theory...Rey is a Palpatine. LOL
Or a Kenobi.....On a limb here, but why have all the other actors used a normal accent but her and Kenobi use the queen's tongue?

And she was quick on the mind trick..just like grandpa.
 

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I like the Kenobi theory too but they'll need to do some serious hole filling in about Obi-Wan and if he had any children in order to have a grandchild.
 

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That's because they were both British actors lol. And accents are learned and influenced by those around you. You aren't born with an accent. If Rey is a progenitor of OB1 she didn't get her inflection from his offspring in 4-5 years and kept it while living with Unkar Platt.
 
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I am not a SW aficionado, but I would guess Rey is Obi's granddaughter.

Overall, the movie was good, but not mind blowing as I thought it would be.

Best part was probably that they brought back the banter.

I bought battlefront but have been too busy playing fallout 4
And....

You mean reskinned battlefield?:kickrock:
^ This. After playing the beta, I was sorely disappointed as a fan of the
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There were other British actors that didn't use a British accent, so that's why everyone is using that as a hint.

I don't like the Obi-wan theory because He was lecturing Anakin about his feelings toward Padme. Obi-wan wouldn't had been a Jedi to risk feelings that could lead to the dark side.


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Not to mention he would've had to father some offspring while in exile on Tattooine. That's the only way it would work and honestly it would be a huge disservice to OB1's portrayal as a Jedi who doesn't buck the system too much. He was also charged with keeping an eye on Luke during those 19 years and I highly doubt they'll write in somewhere that he found a space-hooker at Mos Eisley and fathered some child that he walked away from by evidence of his life-style as a hermit.

And they also had British actors in the first few movies that changed their accents...directors do it quite often. I think people are trying to make connections just to satisfy curiosity without any substantial evidence.
 

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The actor playing Finn is British and he does not use a British accent. Were are talking about a movie that has telekinesis and a host of other fictional concepts and you believe they can't connect the dots on how she has an accent without meeting and living with someone?

Heck, she's born with it as part of the soul of OB1, along with the crazy Force skills.

I think it's potentially a clever way of making a lead.
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