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This is a much better post. Yes, you don't need a sensor as the ECM will use fuel trims however, the GM calibrations that use fuel trims to compensate suck for multiple reasons. I am not sure if the widebands in the Ford use trims or have a built in alcohol sensor (which doesn't make sense).

If it is possible to use an alcohol sensor it will be much more accurate and react much faster but it looks like there is no provision in the cals for that. Unfortunate.

I run this in my C7 and it's awesome.
http://weaponx-c7.myshopify.com/collections/fuel/products/flex-fuel-sensor-and-harness-e92
My apologies for not being clear. It has been a very long day at work today. I am anxiously awaiting a foolproof flex fuel option for the S550s. 93 during the week, and E85 on the way to the track, same tune. The holy grail for performance cars.
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All i know is im running the livernois flex fuel tune when the car is out of storage in April, cant wait until the winters over!. Ill also be adding Lucas or STP ethanol additive to prevent any issues when i run straight E85. May be mixing 3 or 4 gallons of 93 Octane with E85 on occasion to keep everything lubed.
 

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All i know is im running the livernois flex fuel tune when the car is out of storage in April, cant wait until the winters over!. Ill also be adding Lucas or STP ethanol additive to prevent any issues when i run straight E85. May be mixing 3 or 4 gallons of 93 Octane with E85 on occasion to keep everything lubed.
Definitely post up some reviews of it.
 
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Definitely post up some reviews of it.
Will do but it's going to be a while, hopefully this long NY winter comes to an end quick and painless! Lol. Im hopeing to hear reviews from people down south without snowy winters looking to try it out very soon
 

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Will do but it's going to be a while, hopefully this long NY winter comes to an end quick and painless! Lol. Im hopeing to hear reviews from people down south without snowy winters looking to try it out very soon
I think Higgs Boson has a valid point on the need for a flex fuel sensor to be more accurate on the tune. If the tuners(Kind of waiting on Lund) can incorporate a sensor in their tune, I would be on board the next day. :headbang:
 

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Been running E85 for 2 months now. Will run a tank of 93 in a week or so. Lund tune
 
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I think Higgs Boson has a valid point on the need for a flex fuel sensor to be more accurate on the tune. If the tuners(Kind of waiting on Lund) can incorporate a sensor in their tune, I would be on board the next day. :headbang:
GM computer in his corvette is different then our mustangs. Ford has already built in something silmilar to his aftermarket e85 sniffer. When livernois was able to tweak the ecu to use the factory octane reader that adjusts timing accordingly weather using 87 octane or 93 octane. The computer now with that livernois tune will accept 87 octane any other octane above plus 93 up to e85. It's going to automatically bump up timing until it gets knock then backs off so it can freely add timing now when e85 is added. Their secret lies within 23 thousand different tables in the Ford ecu. Just my understanding of how it will work
 

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GM computer in his corvette is different then our mustangs. Ford has already built in something silmilar to his aftermarket e85 sniffer. When livernois was able to tweak the ecu to use the factory octane reader that adjusts timing accordingly weather using 87 octane or 93 octane. The computer now with that livernois tune will accept 87 octane any other octane above plus 93 up to e85. It's going to automatically bump up timing until it gets knock then backs off so it can freely add timing now when e85 is added. Their secret lies within 23 thousand different tables in the Ford ecu. Just my understanding of how it will work
The E85 sensor is not aftermarket, it is a GM part. Some vehicles have used the physical sensor and some use a "virtual sensor" which is what is being discussed here. If the Ford ECM has a Physical Ethanol Sensor, can you provide a part number for it? A physical sensor is not a wideband. The GM virtual sensor setups simply used fuel trims to detect Ethanol by using the oxygen sensors, just like Ford.
The ECM functions very similarly.

The tune right from the factory will adjust spark lead up or down based on octane/knock. That is not "part of a special tune." And on E85 it will not "freely add timing" as that is plain dumb idea because E85 will far exceed MBT before it preignites and gives knock. The stock tune has MBT tables to limit spark to a known maximum.

This is all part of a stock tune. All Livernois or anyone else does is utilize a few tables that are inactive in stock form. It's really not that big of a deal, IMO.
 

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Looking up some info, it looks like Ford did use a physical ethanol sensor in the early 2000s but I can't find any available.
 

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Everyone talks about this "black goo" and "gumming" from E85. I've seen countless motors worked on after tens of thousands of miles of strictly E85 and they're clean as a whistle. Injectors are clean. Fuel filters look brand new.
 

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Everyone talks about this "black goo" and "gumming" from E85. I've seen countless motors worked on after tens of thousands of miles of strictly E85 and they're clean as a whistle. Injectors are clean. Fuel filters look brand new.
Still don't know how this black goo forms and why it does. Would like to know this but no one really has an answer for this.
 
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Still don't know how this black goo forms and why it does. Would like to know this but no one really has an answer for this.
More then likely when a car wasn't set up with stainless fuel lines all the way into the engine compartment and has rubber lines they crack and deteriorate from the inside causing this. I believe our mustangs are stainless lines all the way to our engines so it shouldn't happen
 

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More then likely when a car wasn't set up with stainless fuel lines all the way into the engine compartment and has rubber lines they crack and deteriorate from the inside causing this. I believe our mustangs are stainless lines all the way to our engines so it shouldn't happen
Any way to confirm this?
 
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Any way to confirm this?
My cars in storage right now but if I had it I'd be checking in the,engine compartment if the lines are stainless. I have seen ethanol breaking down rubber lines and causing clogged carbs from it in machines stored too long, I'm sure a car would have the same issue from ethanol with rubber lines. May be why we all may have heard of stories of other cars having clogged injectors or fuel filters. I have seen cars with stainless lines in the underbody but once in the engine became rubber for flexibility
 
 








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