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My 14gt500 must have been horrible as is the z06. 60mph first gear. Na gearing doesnt have to be short to be fast. While i realize both the z06 and gt500 have higher peak numbers, Im fairly confident the gt350s net torque is more then adequate to get out the hole very well and do well in drag racing. If it didnt have a high have a high rev range then id agree but that isnt the case.
Yes I agree the GT500 was not optimized for the drag strip. I don't know about horrible. It just has so much power and torque that it's going to make a good time, even non-optimized. I don't know about the Z06, but you're probably right.

They are both set up to be first of all decent for driving on the street.
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Yes I agree the GT500 was not optimized for the drag strip. I don't know about horrible. It just has so much power and torque that it's going to make a good time, even non-optimized. I don't know about the Z06, but you're probably right.

They are both set up to be first of all decent for driving on the street.
You missed my ninja edit. :D. I was being sarcastic about the horrible part. :cheers:
 

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With first gear set up to take you past 50 mph, it's not a very good drag setup IMO. Yes 3.73 rear, but with an 8,250 rpm redline and the way the transmission is geared a 3.73 gearing in the rear is not especially steep.
Running right it should be about 7100 in 4th gear @ 123, shifting into 4th at 110 mph @ 8200.... that's not perfect but far from shabby, using a 27 inch tire height.
 

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And which means this gt350 will never see low 11s or mid 11s like people think it could..


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You realize the gt350 is 400lbs lighter. There are coyotes with the same power as the gt350 running low 11s. Youre simply wrong. 11.4s will be doable for the R. The 550hp gt500s could run mid 11s too. Gt350 is lighter then them too
 

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You realize the gt350 is 400lbs lighter. There are coyotes with the same power as the gt350 running low 11s. Youre simply wrong. 11.4s will be doable for the R. The 550hp gt500s could run mid 11s too. Gt350 is lighter then them too
There's something to be said about solid rear axles achieving these times, as compared to an IRS solely set up for the track. A "DRAG" setting is just that... a setting. It can in no way, assimilate the efficiency of putting power to the ground on flat pavement as a SRA can. If this were so, all dragsters would have IRS and "DRAG" settings.

Don't get me wrong, I see where you're coming from, as my B302 has a SRA and can rip good 0-60's and 1/4 mile times off all day long, but its a different story comparing SRAs to IRSs.
 

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There's something to be said about solid rear axles achieving these times, as compared to an IRS solely set up for the track. A "DRAG" setting is just that... a setting. It can in no way, assimilate the efficiency of putting power to the ground on flat pavement as a SRA can. If this were so, all dragsters would have IRS and "DRAG" settings.

Don't get me wrong, I see where you're coming from, as my B302 has a SRA and can rip good 0-60's and 1/4 mile times off all day long, but its a different story comparing SRAs to IRSs.
irs can do fine drag racing. The new s550 has been showing that. We'll just look at na s550s for now. There is already 1 in the low 11s. Another running 11.6 with less power then the one running a boss manifold. Irs can be capable. In most hands it will not do well without experience. Most people are new to drag racing irs cars. Some arent. Most people will just do better with sra because its easier. There are irs cars in the 6s and 7s in drag racing. We have fi s550s about ready to break into the 8s on that irs with 1.3 60s. Most people will jump on the irs isnt capable because they dont know what people are actually doing with it. Now nobody is ditching factory sra equipped cars for irs but is not being ditched as often as it used to be in favor of sra.
 

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irs can do fine drag racing. The new s550 has been showing that. We'll just look at na s550s for now. There is already 1 in the low 11s. Another running 11.6 with less power then the one running a boss manifold. Irs can be capable. In most hands it will not do well without experience. Most people are new to drag racing irs cars. Some arent. Most people will just do better with sra because its easier. There are irs cars in the 6s and 7s in drag racing. We have fi s550s about ready to break into the 8s on that irs with 1.3 60s. Most people will jump on the irs isnt capable because they dont know what people are actually doing with it. Now nobody is ditching factory sra equipped cars for irs but is not being ditched as often as it used to be in favor of sra.
That's a fair assumption and some decent statements, but let's keep apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

I'll bet the R does an 11.7 sec 1/4 mi.
I'll bet if you took an R and put an SRA under it and made no other changes, it would probably run an 11.65 sec 1/4 mi.

Thant being said, I'm arguing that the setup in the R is optimized for the roadcourse and not the dragstrip. The gearing is not ideal for the strip in attaining the maximal potential of the engine at the strip, but rather long winding roadcourses where less shifting is a premium.
 

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That's a fair assumption and some decent statements, but let's keep apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

I'll bet the R does an 11.7 sec 1/4 mi.
I'll bet if you took an R and put an SRA under it and made no other changes, it would probably run an 11.65 sec 1/4 mi.

Thant being said, I'm arguing that the setup in the R is optimized for the roadcourse and not the dragstrip. The gearing is not ideal for the strip in attaining the maximal potential of the engine at the strip, but rather long winding roadcourses where less shifting is a premium.
How is irs doing fine in quater mile races an assumption? Its not something im assuming. Its something i see and experienced in my own irs car at one time. How are s550s not apples to apples? They are both irs.

I never debated the fact its not set up for road courses. I dont deny that. Id be crazy not to. But i also know based off near 3 decades of drag experience the gt350s are capable of more then what MT's shitty drivers got. Quite a bit more. I dont think this should be a drag car either. I just dont like people short changing what it can do down the 1/4.
 

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I never debated the fact its not set up for road courses. I dont deny that. Id be crazy not to. But i also know based off near 3 decades of drag experience the gt350s are capable of more then what MT's shitty drivers got. Quite a bit more. I dont think this should be a drag car either. I just dont like people short changing what it can do down the 1/4.
Thoroughly agreed!!!

Why MT even came to the article with times generated from a Vbox is astounding, yet it just goes to show how anxious a car mag is to get its panties in a wad an be the first to report something no one else has.

Smh... why we're even arguing this time is laughable seeing how it came from a Vbox and not a true dragstrip run. I don't endorse running this car at the strip but hell, if you're gonna do something and then report it, then do the crap right the first time!:rant:
 

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Thoroughly agreed!!!

Why MT even came to the article with times generated from a Vbox is astounding, yet it just goes to show how anxious a car mag is to get its panties in a wad an be the first to report something no one else has.

Smh... why we're even arguing this time is laughable seeing how it came from a Vbox and not a true dragstrip run. I don't endorse running this car at the strip but hell, if you're gonna do something and then report it, then do the crap right the first time!:rant:
i think the car world would be better off without magzines like motor trend, road and track, car and driver etc. The only performance mags ill read is fast fords and muscle mustang etc types. I gave up long ago on the ricer mags as i call em. So many people place all their hopes on those mag results. Its crazy.

Im just running between multiple threads to put out fires the less informed are freaking out about or short changing the car saying it failed or sucks. :lol:
 

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You realize the gt350 is 400lbs lighter. There are coyotes with the same power as the gt350 running low 11s. Youre simply wrong. 11.4s will be doable for the R. The 550hp gt500s could run mid 11s too. Gt350 is lighter then them too

You realize the engines are no where near the same right. You can't compare to a gt500 and coyote, the gearing and the way they make power is completely different.

Example: Previous m3 makes 10hp less than current model m4 and is pretty much a second slower in the 1/4. New model makes all its torque/power down low while previous model made its power up top (high revving v8). Previous m3 was great on the track but garbage straight line.

This isn't the typical American muscle car. Need to step away from that mentality.




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You realize the engines are no where near the same right. You can't compare to a gt500 and coyote, the gearing and the way they make power is completely different.

Example: Previous m3 makes 10hp less than current model m4 and is pretty much a second slower in the 1/4. New model makes all its torque/power down low while previous model made its power up top (high revving v8). Previous m3 was great on the track but garbage straight line.

This isn't the typical American muscle car. Need to step away from that mentality.




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Im aware of what it is and isnt. Its still similar power will still get down the quater mile more similar then youd think. Ive wrote damn near a dissertation of the explanation of net torque around here. I have a perfect understanding of what this car will do.
 

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not understanding the overlay in the first post. Both graphs are of the Voodoo engine not Coyote vs Voodoo. Both dynoes go past 8000 rpm
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