People being p**sed off...

[dgc333]

I will not be accepting this car, if it has theses tyres on
On the grounds, They not fit for purpose,
Why should I have to purchase another set of tyres?

Can you imagine, picking car up, right in middle of winter, with summer tyres on.
Pulling out of dealer, having an accident because tyre are not suitable. Surely that's grounds to Sue Fords.

I picked up my Mustang mid January right in the middle of the worst winter in Boston recorded history. The only suitable tire for temps below freezing regardless of whether the car is RWD, FWD or AWD is a dedicated winter tire. I had a set of winters before I took delivery. Even if it had come with all season tires they needed to be swapped out for winter. The Mustang availed itself with the winters and snow mode as well as any vehicle I have owned.

Guys, sorry but i maybe slightly agree with Ford here. Why would anyone choose to take a Mustang out in icy/snowy conditions?

Because it was purchased to be a year round daily driver.

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[Calv]

There are still none gate released boys.. There seem to be chassis numbers for cars up to 28 of September apart from mine stuck on committed status and August build...
Two of my customers cars got resegmented and build went back a week ...

 

[McDoodle]

Sure but unless it's a 4x4 probably not a good idea to take a rear wheel drive sports car out in potentially snowy/icy conditions. I can see both sides though.

I have a 5.0 SL. Tyres are whatever came on it, certainly not winter tyres. Drive it all year round - sun, snow and ice - never had a problem. Like the Mustang it has the safety net of traction control, but ultimately you just drive to the grip available and if you're not sure, slow down. Simples

 

[Monty]

Guys, sorry but i maybe slightly agree with Ford here. Why would anyone choose to take a Mustang out in icy/snowy conditions?

I think its about the temperatures more than snowy conditions. In any case, if its your DD, you don't want to be housebound the moment it looks a bit frosty outside.

As somebody else pointed out, Ford UK (and their dealers) won't have any knowledge or experience of powerful rear drive cars. Personally I'm not even sure I can even be bothered to mention the tyre issue to the dealer. It's just going to be a painful and frustrating exchange. I'm just going to throw (more) money at the car and sort it out myself. I'm resigned to the opinion that Ford UK and the dealers add very little value to the Mustang buying experience.

I get the impression that in general, here in the UK we tend to lag behind many other countries regarding tyres. I must admit, I must have spent the first 10 years of motoring blissfully unaware that winter tyres even existed.

 

[Ian whu]

Guys, sorry but i maybe slightly agree with Ford here. Why would anyone choose to take a Mustang out in icy/snowy conditions?

People make me laugh, when I had my RS Focus, people wouldn't use them in the rain, lol

I always said, it's a Ford, don't understand people like that,
To me same as the mustang, it's a ford.

 

[marks]

People make me laugh, when I had my RS Focus, people wouldn't use them in the rain, lol

I always said, it's a Ford, don't understand people like that,
To me same

Yeah, it might be a 250 grand GT but it's a Ford!

 

[Ian whu]

I'd still use it in rain )

 

[slowhand99]

There are still none gate released boys.. There seem to be chassis numbers for cars up to 28 of September apart from mine stuck on committed status and August build...
Two of my customers cars got resegmented and build went back a week ����...

........with the upfitters and/or waiting for the revised exhaust manifolds?

 

[slowhand99]

There is a world of difference between summer, all season and winter tyres. Three different types; summer are not warranted for use under 7c. Winter are recommended for bad snow/cold - not needed for most of the UK. All season are a compromise for general year round use.

If I lived in the Scottish highlands, common sense tells me winters are a good idea. I live on the south coast and rarely see snow so winters are a waste of time of for me. But temps in winter are well below 7...

All seasons are what I have used and what I expect Ford to pick. They cannot sell a car that is not "fit for purpose" so summers would be dangerous and potentially illegal for me to use...

Since they do not state summer tyres anywhere in their official documents and price lists with the warning not to drive at under 7 then they don't have a leg to stand on..

True, but.........Ford have fitted P Zeros to Mustangs for at least the last 10 years. Bearing mind the massive variations in climate throughout the US, if there was a safety problem we would have heard about it. Ford are a lot of things but there are not so daft as to open themselves up to a class action (which they have experienced in the past over tyres) for fitting 'unsafe' tyres to Mustangs. My business partner has run her Mustang on these since 2005. It's rubbish in the snow, great in the dry, interesting on anything in between - but never dangerous.

All that said; if Pirelli genuinely say these tyres should not be used below 7 deg C then they and Ford need a formal notification that they are fitting OEM equipment against the manufacturers recommendations and without advice to the consumer. Or we can just get on with it like everyone in the States does.

No doubt, if they'd fitted a 'compromise' all-season tyre then the complaints would have been just as loud (given the noise about a 5bhp reduction).

 

[Gryphon]

Honestly, I'd rather the car be delivered with super-sticky summer tyres from the box, with the option of buying completely separate winter wheels and tyres to put on in the winter. After all, why would you want a spongy-handling Mustang 300 days of the year, so you can 'sort of' go forward the other 65?

Sticky, grippy summer tyres for summer, studded, knobby winter tyres for winter. Keep that all-season nonsense for the Kias.

 

[stevec]

I gotta say, reading between the lines and having contacted Pirelli UK, I will use the summer tyres all year round and just be careful in the winter, which I always do anyway.

I don't have a long commute in the winter and in fact, I don't even have to use the car in the winter. I think it would be a shame to lose optimum summer performance as a trade off for having all year tyres.

By the way, Pirelli say winter tyres are a 'recommendation for optimum performance'

 

[Kristian87]

I gotta say, reading between the lines and having contacted Pirelli UK, I will use the summer tyres all year round and just be careful in the winter, which I always do anyway.

I don't have a long commute in the winter and in fact, I don't even have to use the car in the winter. I think it would be a shame to lose optimum summer performance as a trade off for having all year tyres.

By the way, Pirelli say winter tyres are a 'recommendation for optimum performance'

Same here. Although this is my first rear wheel powered car & almost triple the power of anything I have driven up until now. I may be tempted to invest in a set of winter tyres just to give me that little bit more confidence in that small time frame that I may need them. Anyone know a rough cost for a decent (say mid-range) set of winters? Assuming I can sweet talk my dealer in to fitting them?

 

[marks]

Same here. Although this is my first rear wheel powered car & almost triple the power of anything I have driven up until now. I may be tempted to invest in a set of winter tyres just to give me that little bit more confidence in that small time frame that I may need them. Anyone know a rough cost for a decent (say mid-range) set of winters? Assuming I can sweet talk my dealer in to fitting them?

Costco are usually cheapest for Michelin or Pirelli and fit them. Not sure price though.

 

[croyde]

What tyres are fitted to Porsche 911 as oem in the UK?

I only ask as about 10 years ago Porsche lent me a 997S for 24 hours. It was evening when I picked it up and it was early Jan and the weather was awful. Thunder storms and gales.

I didn't think about the tyres and my confidence quickly grew.

I drove it like my motorbike, late braking, fast overtakes and stuck another 400 miles on the clock.

Obviously I left the traction control on and I didn't have a single moment.

 

[deep south]

Ford in the US are almost as bad as in the UK; they don’t have a brochure yet for the 2016 models…according to their 2015 brochure, the ecoboost comes as standard with 235/50R18 all season tyres; the performance package has 255/40R19 summer tyres and the 50 years appearance package has 255/40R19 all seasons. The GT has the same tyres except for 275/40R19 at the back.

The UK manual states 255/40R19Z - 275’s for the back of the GT, and has the “standard” warning about not using summer tyres

“Since summer tires do not have the same traction performance as All-season or Snow tires, we do not recommend using summer tires when temperatures drop to about 7°C (45°F) or below (depending on tire wear and environmental conditions) or in snow and ice conditions. Like any tire, summer tire performance is affected by tire wear and environmental conditions. If you must drive in those conditions, we recommend using Mud and Snow (M+S, M/S), All-season or Snow tires.”

The window stickers so far that I have seen for the UK cars say “Y-sum” tyres, which I guess is Y rated, summer only. Y is rated for 186mph/300kph, which seems a bit of overkill; V is rated up to 149mph(240kph) which seems OK for the EB, and W rated at 168mph(270kph) would be fine for the GT.

Looking around, it seems that all the Pirelli P zero variants are summer only…

The “Z” rating seems to be obsolete now, as it just says 150+mph/240+kph. So I guess we need to wait and see what they are specifically fitting…

Don’t forget that the traction control and the Wet/Snow setting can’t change how much grip the tyres are giving you, but I imagine it will certainly help; I remember watching a couple of BMW 3 series trying to pull away in snow at the M3 services a couple of years ago and that was hilarious as they couldn’t get any grip whatsoever!

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