Procharger Stage 2 Install

[ProChargerTECH]

and has a lot of success on SC cars.

As it should when used correctly.
However this has nothing to do with the "issue" that is trying to be solved here.

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[gqneon]

Trying an imrc soft delete tune tonight, lunds was saying he's had a lot of feedback saying it's fixed the glitch so I'm looking forward to driving it. I tried it but it felt rough, then I remembered I put my whiteline transmission bushing in last night when I installed my MGW shifter. I'm sure that's what I was feeling. Gonna try again tonight. What advantage does the bullet valve offer over the proflow at 12psi other than different sound and being a direct swap?

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[ProChargerTECH]

What advantage does the bullet valve offer over the proflow at 12psi other than different sound and being a direct swap?

Nothing other then making the "internet forums" feel better, that its the same style as a "Tial" valve, and it sounds different. More of a "whoosh"

They react the same.
They work the same.
They pretty much flow the same. (ProFlow flows more)

For some reason the internet thinks that the tiny little air gap in the ProFlow butterfly causes a boost leak. (which its such a small small amount, its not even measurable, even at idle) That air gap is actually there for a reason, so the blade doesn't get stuck, while operating. It reacts fast, and flows a load of CFM, its a stellar little valve.

 

[z06psi]

Are you Nate?

So why was I told on the phone yesterday by Nate that the Proflow was at it's capacity at 12-13 psi?

Get on the same sheet PC. Nothing I hate more than someone giving out differing advice that affects my pocketbook.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

Are you Nate?

So why was I told on the phone yesterday by Nate that the Proflow was at it's capacity at 12-13 psi?

Get on the same sheet PC. Nothing I hate more than someone giving out differing advice that affects my pocketbook.

I'm not Nate....

However I think at least 4-5 times I have stated on this forum the differences in the valves we have. And that "boost" isn't a good measure for what they can do. (boost is a measure of restriction, not CFM or HP)

EXAMPLE:
A Honda with our kit on 12psi makes very little HP (well below what a ProFlow can flow.

However a 540 cubic inch Big Block Chevy with our blower on 12psi, likely makes almost 1000HP (if properly built) And this is WAY over the ProFlows flow limit

I hope that makes sense.

Our standard kits, ship with the parts needed for what our customers need.
If a person wants to upgrade things, or change things thats up to them.

We rate the ProFlow/Bullet at or around 650-750HP. Its not a fixed number, because it just depends on the application. But really its that 1.5" hole that dictates the true amount of air that can be bypassed.

If your blower is surging (aka coughing) and or your blowing tubes apart, thats a good sign that your valve is to small. Short of that, unless your looking for a change in sound, there really is no reason to change.

 

[z06psi]

Can you understand my frustration getting two different answers from the same company? I explained to him kind of what I was experiencing and his suggestion was to get off the Proflow because it was not good for over 12-13 psi.

I understand a lot about what you are saying. Not my first F/I either current or sold. However with a 4.5" pulley I should be seeing right around 13-14 psi on these motors. I am getting on and off surging in the 3-5k range at WOT. IMRCs are gone so that is not a problem. I follow the suggestions given by the manufacturer but now I have two different viewpoints from that same manufacturer.

Please don't talk about a non-standard kit cause that is piss poor from a business that touts how many cars/platforms they are installed on.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

Please don't talk about a non-standard kit cause that is piss poor from a business that touts how many cars/platforms they are installed on.

It is what it is,
You are running a CUSTOM tune, on a turned up kit.
And your modifying things like turning off IMCR's, etc.

All I know is that I send out MANY tunes each day for HO/STG2 kits.
And don't have any complaints about bucking/surging with our systems.
AND there have been many dealers (BeefCake, Coastal, Etc) that have had great results, and great drivability with turned up kits.

(Actually took a really really nice phone call yesterday from a guy driving a car with a STG2 system on a 500+ mile road trip
He called just to tell us how happy he was, that it had no surging/bucking....
He actually called while driving, it was cool to have the simple "thank you" call)

I have a feeling he is a lurker on this forum, so THANKS!

 

[Process]

It is what it is,

You are running a CUSTOM tune, on a turned up kit.

And your modifying things like turning off IMCR's, etc.



All I know is that I send out MANY tunes each day for HO/STG2 kits.

And don't have any complaints about bucking/surging with our systems.

AND there have been many dealers (BeefCake, Coastal, Etc) that have had great results, and great drivability with turned up kits.



(Actually took a really really nice phone call yesterday from a guy driving a car with a STG2 system on a 500+ mile road trip

He called just to tell us how happy he was, that it had no surging/bucking....

He actually called while driving, it was cool to have the simple "thank you" call)



I have a feeling he is a lurker on this forum, so THANKS!

Lund tuned procharged kits surge and buck too when turned up. So has the one car rev auto has done.

There's plenty of factors that are causing this. It would be in your benefit to figure it out before people begin shying away.


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[z06psi]

It is what it is,
You are running a CUSTOM tune, on a turned up kit.
And your modifying things like turning off IMCR's, etc.

All I know is that I send out MANY tunes each day for HO/STG2 kits.
And don't have any complaints about bucking/surging with our systems.
AND there have been many dealers (BeefCake, Coastal, Etc) that have had great results, and great drivability with turned up kits.

(Actually took a really really nice phone call yesterday from a guy driving a car with a STG2 system on a 500+ mile road trip
He called just to tell us how happy he was, that it had no surging/bucking....
He actually called while driving, it was cool to have the simple "thank you" call)

I have a feeling he is a lurker on this forum, so THANKS!

Nice non answer about your company not giving the same advice and a customer spending money on that advice. I guess I will have to send another email.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

Lund tuned procharged kits surge and buck too when turned up. So has the one car rev auto has done.

There's plenty of factors that are causing this. It would be in your benefit to figure it out before people begin shying away.


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Our systems don't buck/surge, and plenty of other shops/dealers/tuners don't either. We spent months revising our tune to make it what it is, thousands of miles, hundreds of dyno pulls, and countless hours and tanks of fuel.

I have offered to look over someones file, to see if I could find anything that stood out...

We make supercharger systems. (we support our products and tunes)
Tuners make tunes. (its up to them to support theirs)

 

[Process]

Our systems don't buck/surge, and plenty of other shops/dealers/tuners don't either. We spent months revising our tune to make it what it is, thousands of miles, hundreds of dyno pulls, and countless hours and tanks of fuel.

I have offered to look over someones file, to see if I could find anything that stood out...

We make supercharger systems. (we support our products and tunes)
Tuners make tunes. (its up to them to support theirs)

Your system most certainly does, I've driven procharger tuned cars, I think you have no idea what everyone is referring to. The buck / surge issue is part your system, part factory ford hardware, and part tuning.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

Nice non answer about your company not giving the same advice and a customer spending money on that advice. I guess I will have to send another email.

We go out of our way to support our products and our tunes.

If a person is having issues with their custom tune. They need to work with their tuner to resolve that.

There are NO parts needed to add or change to our system to make it work correctly, as WE and other tuners have proven.

As far as your last email in regards to the intakes, I think you miss understood what we stated on the forums. The part had been changed, and any customer that had issues was taken care of. We just had no reason to "replace" any intakes that didn't have issues. It would be a waste of time for the customer to even install it. (if its not broke, don't fix it...which was the case for 99 out of 100 systems sold) And I believe all we needed from you was your serial number to make the change to yours. (Don't know if that ever happened, I never saw a reply email, but maybe you worked with the tech guys directly)

Our customer service is industry leading....
We are here M-F 8-5:30 with a massive phone staff....
The shortest hold times in the industry (if at all).....
On the forums....
On the social media sites....

We love our customers, and want them to get taken care of.
However things like these custom "tunes" aren't in our control.

Surly you can understand. :usa:

 

[ProChargerTECH]

Your system most certainly does, I've driven procharger tuned cars, I think you have no idea what everyone is referring to. The buck / surge issue is part your system, part factory ford hardware, and part tuning.

I am willing to bet I have driven 15+ different ProCharged 2015's at this point.
And no, I have no idea what your talking about, with our current tune revision.

#1)
The cars drive poorly STOCK, from FORD. The factory tune leaves a LOT to be desired, and last I checked I think there was MANY revisions for these cars in their stock form, some got better, some were unchanged.

#2)
There was the lack of power... (fixed)
There was the surge right at the IMRC transision (99.999% gone with our stock system on stock cars, running our tuning)



Again, YOU don't have our tune, yet YOU are the one always complaining.
If OUR customer has a problem with OUR tune, please let them speak for themselves.
(At this point you are just putting words in peoples mouths, and its borderline slander)

 

[Process]

I am willing to bet I have driven 15+ different ProCharged 2015's at this point.
And no, I have no idea what your talking about, with our current tune revision.

#1)
The cars drive poorly STOCK, from FORD. The factory tune leaves a LOT to be desired, and last I checked I think there was MANY revisions for these cars in their stock form, some got better, some were unchanged.

#2)
There was the lack of power... (fixed)
There was the surge right at the IMRC transision (99.999% gone with our stock system on stock cars, running our tuning)



Again, YOU don't have our tune, yet YOU are the one always complaining.

If OUR customer has a problem with OUR tune, please let them speak for themselves. (At this point you are just putting words in peoples mouths, and its borderline slander)

LOL Slander. The truth is the tunes you tune your company provides have the same exact issue everyone else is facing. You have multiple people in this thread alone who are fed up with you, your company, and their customer service.

How come no one on this forum has came on and said "hey my procharged car doesn't surge"?

Perhaps you should contact Jon Lund, Eric Brooks and Kevin Brown and tell them they don't know how to tune a coyote.

Here are issues with my kit out of the box:

-Blower discharge tube does not clear radiator, was told to reclock the blower... umm, no, clock the blower properly from the factory.
-No instructions included for stage 2 system
-Inlet does not fit blower
-Belt is incorrect size for provided pulley and stage 2 crank

This is what I had to do to resolve the issue:

-Remove the IMRC Intake manifold
-Modify the tune to accept the fact the IMRC's are no longer there
-Replacing the non fitting inlet with a hardened plastic inlet
-Replace the proflow valve with one that actually shuts
-Remove the hoses procharger provides to use as a pcv system and run breathers

 

[z06psi]

I am willing to bet I have driven 15+ different ProCharged 2015's at this point.
And no, I have no idea what your talking about, with our current tune revision.

#1)
The cars drive poorly STOCK, from FORD. The factory tune leaves a LOT to be desired, and last I checked I think there was MANY revisions for these cars in their stock form, some got better, some were unchanged.

#2)
There was the lack of power... (fixed)
There was the surge right at the IMRC transision (99.999% gone with our stock system on stock cars, running our tuning)



Again, YOU don't have our tune, yet YOU are the one always complaining.
If OUR customer has a problem with OUR tune, please let them speak for themselves.
(At this point you are just putting words in peoples mouths, and its borderline slander)

You know I wasn't going to get into this here but you brought it up.

I was not the only one who understood you in this way. You changed your stance after the email. I am willing to work with anyone but people who stick their head in the sand after I gave their company $7000.00 for a kit is wrong. And it seems I spent another 279.00 I'll advised by that same company.

I have a suggestion, you refund me the price of the kit and the 279.00 and when I figure out this problem I will return what I did not spend on R&D to you. Then you can bask in the glory of how good your kit is.

Crazy right?

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