2016 Camaro - know the details

[garagelogic]

Calling it how I see it. The only posts of yours I see are you running down the Mustang and extolling the virtues of the Camaro.

:amen:

Here's an idea. Why don't you go hang out with your like-minded cohorts over on Camaro6 and gush over their new pony car until Ford produces a Mustang that has everything you'd ever want in a car?
It is one thing to point out areas where you feel Ford could improve the Mustang or offer constructive criticism (many on this site and others do), but all I see you doing is constantly running the current car down and hoisting the Camaro up on some sort of pedestal like it is God's gift to the pony car world.

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[Spartan]

Calling it how I see it. The only posts of yours I see are you running down the Mustang and extolling the virtues of the Camaro.

God forbid Colleton, someone actually has some criticisms of the S550 now that it's counterpart comes out last week in a VS thread. Do you freak out when someone who's a fan of your favorite sports team also criticizes your favorite sports team in ways the team can improve themselves because their arch rivals did some good things/moves/trades or do you literally call them a traitor right away?

Yeah, but you post garbage in every thread on the forum now. The Camero is uglier than the one it replaced and still won't live up to the hype.

I get it, you can't take any criticism. In a VS thread and others where people are comparing things, there are going to be criticisms. There have been since the car was revealed back early in '14 on this forum.

:amen:

Here's an idea. Why don't you go hang out with your like-minded cohorts over on Camaro6 and gush over their new pony car until Ford produces a Mustang that has everything you'd ever want in a car?
It is one thing to point out areas where you feel Ford could improve the Mustang or offer constructive criticism (many on this site and others do), but all I see you doing is constantly running the current car down and hoisting the Camaro up on some sort of pedestal like it is God's gift to the pony car world.

Yah, lets see...Camaro revealed May 25th. So yes, recently after seeing what Camaro put in its first gen, I am impressed they didn't leave anything on the table. That doesn't make me a fanboy of Camaro that makes me impressed with their marketing/sales strategy. The S550 still has things they need to do and are just slowly rolling them out.

I'll be here all the time and always. I'm a Mustang fan. But I'm not a blinded follower that wont criticize it where it needs improved.

Here's an idea..you can put me on ignore if you don't like the criticisms.

 

[garagelogic]

Here's an idea..you can put me on ignore if you don't like the criticisms.

Now, why would I do that? It's much more fun to watch you regurgitate the same stuff post after post and see people call you out on it.

Just because you SAY you're a Mustang fan does not mean you ARE a Mustang fan. Your posts make it very clear you are not, so why do you continue to pretend? Who do you think you are fooling? You have a palpable preference for the Camaro, and no matter how much Ford gives us in the Mustang, in your mind, it will never be as good as what GM gives in the Camaro.

If you truly want specific things changed/improved with the Mustang, then by all means let your opinions be known! But can you not offer suggests without some sort of reference to your favorite GM-produced pony car? You constantly tell everyone what the Mustand NEEDS to have instead of presenting it as simply what YOU would like to see happen.

 

[nametoshowothers]

Having any factual or logical discussion about 2 models of car is not trolling...God Forbid its in a vs thread even. Stop being a clown.

Actually he was correct therefore not a clown

Look forward to logic at sometime


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[4 ROUSH]

:shockedislike the car . Interior pasenger side horrible..............Another "GOVERNMENT MOTORS" cookie cutter automobile.:faint:

 

[04SloSnake]

I get it, you can't take any criticism. In a VS thread and others where people are comparing things, there are going to be criticisms. There have been since the car was revealed back early in '14 on this forum.

Neither you or I had anything to do with creating these vehicles so I don't care about criticism. You are not posting legitimate criticism of the S550, you are whining about subjective things and comparing it to hopes and dreams of how the Camero "should" perform. You Chevy guys never learn to hold your tongue until the car proves itself.

And lets not pretend this is the only place you are trolling. You whined that the now one year old S550 looks dated (in a thread in General Discussion) and told a guy who was shopping for a Mustang to wait for the Camero because it was so much better (also in General Discussion). I get it, you're excited, but the true details aren't out and you have been whining and complaining about all things Mustang since the reveal. It's getting old.

 

[Spartan]

Neither you or I had anything to do with creating these vehicles so I don't care about criticism. You are not posting legitimate criticism of the S550, you are whining about subjective things and comparing it to hopes and dreams of how the Camero "should" perform. You Chevy guys never learn to hold your tongue until the car proves itself.

And lets not pretend this is the only place you are trolling. You whined that the now one year old S550 looks dated (in a thread in General Discussion) and told a guy who was shopping for a Mustang to wait for the Camero because it was so much better (also in General Discussion). I get it, you're excited, but the true details aren't out and you have been whining and complaining about all things Mustang since the reveal. It's getting old.

I am posting legitimate criticisms...criticisms that have been posted before on here..which is the front, the transmission, the lack of certain packages on certain models and so on.

And yes, the guy had a question and was asking opinions...telling him to see what they come out with and then compare to see what he thinks is better is exactly what he was asking.

Hate to tell you man but everything in life is from a subjective point of view. It's pretty funny you think I'm a chevy guy...you're so far from the truth it's hilarious. You can like a brand and their cars but point out areas they need to improve and Ford needs to improve a few things on the Mustang now because Chevy revealed theirs.

 

[Spartan]

If you truly want specific things changed/improved with the Mustang, then by all means let your opinions be known! But can you not offer suggests without some sort of reference to your favorite GM-produced pony car? You constantly tell everyone what the Mustand NEEDS to have instead of presenting it as simply what YOU would like to see happen.

When you want things changed, it's good to put a point of reference to something in the category it's in. So the point of reference is obviously the Camaro. Why can't you see that?

Example: Ford needs to get that 10 speed out. Many were completely disappointed when they did nothing to the '15 with the transmission and at least should have had an 8 speed released with it until the 10 was ready. What does Chevy do, they put an 8 speed out in their release leaping over the Mustang. It used to be 6 vs 6 speed. Now it's 6 vs 8 speed. At least in the Auto, which many are buying, thats a big + for the Camaro.

 

[Wildcat]

I personally agree with Spartan on the marketing angle. Chevrolet made a smart move by having a lineup that will make more sense to the average consumer. Despite how many of us may feel on how educated the buying public is on these cars and their engine choices, it's pretty obvious that the average buyer here in the U.S., right or wrong, is going to feel that a lineup of 4-6-8 is the more correct progression for a 3 model lineup.

On top of that, every Camaro model can be optioned up, regardless of engine choice. You pick your engine, pick your transmission, pick your options. Regardless of how some people here feel about the car itself, that's a smart business decision. You allow the consumer to choose what they want, and in my opinion that gives them a distinct advantage.

Now some of you may feel the Camaro is ugly, but styling is subjective, and it's clear a great many people out there liked the current Camaro body style and will probably like this one as well.

And before I get flamed by someone as "Camaro fanboy" I will close out by saying I've never owned a GM car in my entire life. Just wanted to throw that out there to head off any 3rd grade reply before it happens.

 

[ZaneWayne]

I personally agree with Spartan on the marketing angle. Chevrolet made a smart move by having a lineup that will make more sense to the average consumer. Despite how many of us may feel on how educated the buying public is on these cars and their engine choices, it's pretty obvious that the average buyer here in the U.S., right or wrong, is going to feel that a lineup of 4-6-8 is the more correct progression for a 3 model lineup.

On top of that, every Camaro model can be optioned up, regardless of engine choice. You pick your engine, pick your transmission, pick your options. Regardless of how some people here feel about the car itself, that's a smart business decision. You allow the consumer to choose what they want, and in my opinion that gives them a distinct advantage.

Now some of you may feel the Camaro is ugly, but styling is subjective, and it's clear a great many people out there liked the current Camaro body style and will probably like this one as well.

And before I get flamed by someone as "Camaro fanboy" I will close out by saying I've never owned a GM car in my entire life. Just wanted to throw that out there to head off any 3rd grade reply before it happens.

But, but, but......you must be a Camaro fan boy? I'm just yanking your chain. You make very points.

 

[15wile]

I personally agree with Spartan on the marketing angle. Chevrolet made a smart move by having a lineup that will make more sense to the average consumer. Despite how many of us may feel on how educated the buying public is on these cars and their engine choices, it's pretty obvious that the average buyer here in the U.S., right or wrong, is going to feel that a lineup of 4-6-8 is the more correct progression for a 3 model lineup.

Not sure this is true anymore. Ford's been dumping a lot of marketing into their Ecoboost brand, presumably to address this very issue. And import buyers have been fine with turbo-4s slotting in higher than some base V6s for a long time. With CAFE standards going the way they are, you'll see a lot more of this in the future, too.

On top of that, every Camaro model can be optioned up, regardless of engine choice. You pick your engine, pick your transmission, pick your options. Regardless of how some people here feel about the car itself, that's a smart business decision. You allow the consumer to choose what they want, and in my opinion that gives them a distinct advantage.

I do think Ford should let V6 buyers go Premium if they want to. But, being realistic, the number of buyers who would avoid the car because of this is very small. The upgrade to the Ecoboost motor is very cheap. Most premium buyers will shrug and not give a sh*t. Most, but not all, of course.

Now some of you may feel the Camaro is ugly, but styling is subjective, and it's clear a great many people out there liked the current Camaro body style and will probably like this one as well.

As long as it continues to feature in Transformers movies, it will continue to sell. And yeah, some people like GM styling. But some people like watching the Kardashians, too, so there's no accounting for taste.

And before I get flamed by someone as "Camaro fanboy" I will close out by saying I've never owned a GM car in my entire life. Just wanted to throw that out there to head off any 3rd grade reply before it happens.

Some of your points are good. No 3rd grade replies necessary.

 

[garagelogic]

When you want things changed, it's good to put a point of reference to something in the category it's in. So the point of reference is obviously the Camaro. Why can't you see that?

Sounds like you have a bad case of the white boy blues.;)

 

[15wile]

When you want things changed, it's good to put a point of reference to something in the category it's in. So the point of reference is obviously the Camaro. Why can't you see that?

Example: Ford needs to get that 10 speed out. Many were completely disappointed when they did nothing to the '15 with the transmission and at least should have had an 8 speed released with it until the 10 was ready. What does Chevy do, they put an 8 speed out in their release leaping over the Mustang. It used to be 6 vs 6 speed. Now it's 6 vs 8 speed. At least in the Auto, which many are buying, thats a big + for the Camaro.

So Ford waits a year or two in order to release a 10 speed, rather than release an 8 speed today. What's wrong with that?

Just a few years ago, most autos were 4 and 5 speeds. So be happy that change has come to the industry. Besides, buy the car in manual anyway. It's more fun. I sure wish I had.

 

[imjuslazy]

:shockedislike the car . Interior pasenger side horrible..............Another "GOVERNMENT MOTORS" cookie cutter automobile.:faint:

How is this a cookie cutter interior? It literally shares no overall design elements with anything in its class or from GM.

 

[15wile]

How is this a cookie cutter interior? It literally shares no overall design elements with anything in its class or from GM.

Not sure I'd go so far as to say "cookie cutter" but it definitely looks like typical GM design. And what's with those tron lines on the door panels? It wasn't enough to be the Transformers car...

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