2016 Camaro - know the details

[MagneticA]

Any opinion carries weight.

Maybe you should go out and start reading the auto sites reviews of the 6G...they are all favorable...and Chevy allowed test drives of their car at launch where Ford made people wait 6+ months...so Chevy obviously thinks their 6G blows away the Mustang by offering that already. And reading the reviews, Ford really has something to start worrying about...which I think is great because Ford needs to up their game now and hopefully blow us away with the '17 MY.

As an informed buyer, I'll take all the information from anywhere and make an informed decision.

It's possible Chevy wanted to get reviews out there so people considering buying the 'Stang will hold off a few months. Total marketing ploy to sway potential buyers, not because it "blows away the Mustang."

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[thewiz8807]

Damn, that was surprisingly lackluster.

 

[Vernichtung]

We don't even know what the Camaro SS is going to cost, yet. It may be that, with all the technology Chevrolet's thrown into it -- Magnetic Ride Control being one -- it may contend with the Shelby GT350 and not the Mustang GT. That is, if the pricing information in the thread below is proven to be correct. Getting a Shelby devoid of dealership markup, though, is a completely separate question.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23826

There are still a lot of unknowns at this point. Let's wait and see how it all plays out come MY 2017 or 2018. Further, given how Ford has responded to Camaro since the modern reintroduction of GM's sports car, I believe Ford will definitely "up their game." That's how this rivalry works. It's rather ludicrous to think Ford didn't leave plenty on the table when they released the 2015 model.

 

[1320']

This has been a very exciting week for Camaro fans and an extremely bad week for anyone who holds GM stock.

That being said, ever since the reveal you have seen the faithful on the Camaro side get progressively more and more hyped up, more and more passionate and more and more convinced of things that have not even been mentioned. This is normal for a fairly isolated group of enthusiasts. For the most part the only place the Camaro reveal and new generation is a hit is with established Camaro owners.

When the new Mustang debuted it was everywhere, even my non-car friends were talking about it in one way or another.

GM said the "weight loss was at least 200 lbs level to level" or some other verbage. They claim the reason final weight has not been revealed is because "they still havent finished testing components". That means that the cars that the rag writers drove were not representative of the final product, thus any evaluation means nothing.

Another thing GM has been utterly silent on is the pricing range. Remember the "leaked GM memo" that Jalopnik posted? It mentioned a range of 25,000-43,000..but that is a bit off base considering you can option a 2SS to nearly 46,000 right now.

 

[garagelogic]

Any opinion carries weight.

Maybe you should go out and start reading the auto sites reviews of the 6G...they are all favorable...and Chevy allowed test drives of their car at launch where Ford made people wait 6+ months...so Chevy obviously thinks their 6G blows away the Mustang by offering that already. And reading the reviews, Ford really has something to start worrying about...which I think is great because Ford needs to up their game now and hopefully blow us away with the '17 MY.

As an informed buyer, I'll take all the information from anywhere and make an informed decision.

The only opinion that matters, when I go to buy a car, is mine. If I like the way a particular car feels, I'll buy it. I don't care if there are other cars that offer better lap times, better quarter-mile performance, etc.

If Camaro trolls like you think that by coming over to this site and singing the praises of that car are going to sway decisions, you're way off base. In fact, the constant insistence that Ford needs to "up their game" is likely to have the opposite effect. Yes, I am a Mustang aficionado, but I am not one to think the model is the end-all, be-all of cars. In my garage currently are two Mopar products and two Ford products. In the past you would have found various GM, Lexus and other makes.

I don't need my next Mustang to be the "best" in every category; it just needs to satisfy me.

 

[Sub-Moa]

I agree with Garagelogic. There will never be one perfect car for everyone. If there were, everyone would drive the exact same car and the world would be boring. I am excited to see the LT1 in the new Camaro along with MRC and a better interior. I personally think the rear end is ugly compared to the Mustang's but that is just my opinion.

 

[CoyoteS550]

I think Ford really dropped the ball with not offering the V6 up as the mid trim and doing more with it. I know they love their EB engines but they should have done more with the V6 and not send it to the junk heap.

Chevy is going to take the mid range sales for sure from Mustang. With that good of a sounding V6 (and it sounds GOOD), along with the cylinder deactivation and premium trim/options...Ford is going to lose a bunch of sales.

Ford was smart with their EcoBoost option, they saw a growing market and jumped on it. People interested in performance can squeeze more power out of a turbo'd 4 than they can from a NA 6 with bolt ons.

I also think Ford was smart putting out a 4 cylinder engine that can match the 6 in stock power, instead of choosing a less powerful engine like Chevy.

 

[Katastrophe]

Let's put this into a perspective that ANYONE can understand...especially buyers who want what they want.

The Camaro offers all the trims and fixings you could want...with ANY choice of engine. And, by the looks of things, with any choice of transmission. Those are all wins. Everyone looking at a Camaro wins. People who want manual or automatic, 4, 6 or 8 cylinders...there is a car for them.

Ford shot themselves in the foot by restricting those very options. Plain and simple. Just like the morons who write the latest car reviews or auto-blogs, cars shouldn't be limited to transmission choices and options like that. It doesn't make sense both with the market (consumer choices) and more importantly, sales.

I will say, though, Ford isn't the only group doing this...many cars today are limited with crap option groups and only 1 transmission choice (either manual or automatic)...that just doesn't make sense sales wise, at all.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Let's put this into a perspective that ANYONE can understand...especially buyers who want what they want.

The Camaro offers all the trims and fixings you could want...with ANY choice of engine. And, by the looks of things, with any choice of transmission. Those are all wins. Everyone looking at a Camaro wins. People who want manual or automatic, 4, 6 or 8 cylinders...there is a car for them.

Ford shot themselves in the foot by restricting those very options. Plain and simple. Just like the morons who write the latest car reviews or auto-blogs, cars shouldn't be limited to transmission choices and options like that. It doesn't make sense both with the market (consumer choices) and more importantly, sales.

I will say, though, Ford isn't the only group doing this...many cars today are limited with crap option groups and only 1 transmission choice (either manual or automatic)...that just doesn't make sense sales wise, at all.

Sooooooo how does this translate to sales for Ford? Looks like pretty good to me, no?

 

[thePill]

Sales wise? Only sales make sense and right now the Mustang is selling very well. Better than the 5th Gen and looks to be about the same as the 2005.

If there were more options there would be more sales? Potentially yes... Good thing Ford still has that left on the table.

 

[Spartan]

Let's put this into a perspective that ANYONE can understand...especially buyers who want what they want.

The Camaro offers all the trims and fixings you could want...with ANY choice of engine. And, by the looks of things, with any choice of transmission. Those are all wins. Everyone looking at a Camaro wins. People who want manual or automatic, 4, 6 or 8 cylinders...there is a car for them.

Ford shot themselves in the foot by restricting those very options. Plain and simple. Just like the morons who write the latest car reviews or auto-blogs, cars shouldn't be limited to transmission choices and options like that. It doesn't make sense both with the market (consumer choices) and more importantly, sales.

I will say, though, Ford isn't the only group doing this...many cars today are limited with crap option groups and only 1 transmission choice (either manual or automatic)...that just doesn't make sense sales wise, at all.

Agreed. Even one lost sale is a bad thing for Ford. Camaro did it right...offering a engine choice that you want with the majority of options..only 2 you cannot get on the 4/V6 is the magnetic ride and active shift. Obviously the SS gets a different bumper/hood but we're talking the package options which are all available for all the trims.

If Ford wants to keep doing the 6/4/8 thing..then all power to them, but they should offer the V6 with all the trimmings also, especially the premium package and performance package. If you're scared the V6 is going to take sales from your EB Cafe stuff then obviously you didn't make the EB that great did you?

Sooooooo how does this translate to sales for Ford? Looks like pretty good to me, no?

So far so good for Ford/Mustang, but that was with a new gen '15 Mustang vs last gen '15 Camaro.

We'll know more down the road...

 

[Katastrophe]

Sooooooo how does this translate to sales for Ford? Looks like pretty good to me, no?

Yes, they are. But they could be better with more options. It's a proven fact.

 

[Katastrophe]

Sales wise? Only sales make sense and right now the Mustang is selling very well. Better than the 5th Gen and looks to be about the same as the 2005.

If there were more options there would be more sales? Potentially yes... Good thing Ford still has that left on the table.

Right...but why should it be left on the table to begin with? It shouldn't be.

 

[Spartan]

Right...but why should it be left on the table to begin with? It shouldn't be.

They want to force people into the EB for premium options which is a bad move for a company. Buyer should be making the choice, not the product maker. Chevy threw down...and they will benefit from Ford's bad decision on the V6.

Cars should always be based on certain things like engine choice, interior (cloth/leather) choice, safety choice, entertainment choice, etc...I hate how they package things...it sucks and sucks for consumers.

 

[Wblv17]

Truth be known we know the new Camaro looks like a sedan, it has 450 HP, That is about it and no need to compare as we don't know much else besides the V6 turns like a dumb truck.

Like having a pissing contest into a 50 MPH wind.

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