How long until 3.7 v6 and coyote replaced with ecoboosts?

[ilkhan]

The 2.3 uses a shitload of boost to hit 310. It runs aboout 18-20PSI from the factory. Yet the tuners found plenty of extra horsepower on the table anyway. MAP is running about 70-80HP over stock (350 to the rear wheels). I bet that 2.7 motor has similar gains available.

"The twin-turbo configuration, which uses low-pressure BorgWarner turbochargers, is similar to that of the 3.5-L EcoBoost V6, with peak boost of 29 psi (200 kPa)."
http://articles.sae.org/13388/

The 2.7EB uses *29* PSI. Big difference there.
Shoving more air in does a decent job of mimicking more volume, but its still not quite the same. Theres still no replacement for displacement.

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[Double]

"The twin-turbo configuration, which uses low-pressure BorgWarner turbochargers, is similar to that of the 3.5-L EcoBoost V6, with peak boost of 29 psi (200 kPa)."
http://articles.sae.org/13388/

The 2.7EB uses *29* PSI. Big difference there.
Shoving more air in does a decent job of mimicking more volume, but its still not quite the same. Theres still no replacement for displacement.

What about electric turbo's ? Can make a engine behave anyway you want with some fancy software

 

[Rough Hollow Man]

In my post #41 in this thread, I should have said the six-cylinder has been around for these first 50 years. It started out as a straight-six, but now is that very capable 3.7 V-6.
I wonder how many six-cylinder equipped Mustangs have rolled off the assembly line these 50 years? The V-8 disappeared once in Mustang's history, but a six-cylinder has been there since the start. And if Ford ever makes the very bad business decision to drop the V-8, there's a good likelihood that a EB V-6 might take it's place...but technically still a six-cylinder!

 

[15wile]

"The twin-turbo configuration, which uses low-pressure BorgWarner turbochargers, is similar to that of the 3.5-L EcoBoost V6, with peak boost of 29 psi (200 kPa)."
http://articles.sae.org/13388/

The 2.7EB uses *29* PSI. Big difference there.
Shoving more air in does a decent job of mimicking more volume, but its still not quite the same. Theres still no replacement for displacement.

29PSI? Mother of God. That's nuts.

As for no replacement for displacement... nah. That's the old days. The Coyote 5.0 competes against a 6.2L Camaro motor, and a 6.4L Challenger motor. And yeah, the other two put out a little more power... yet per liter, the 5.0 puts out more.

Displacement is a variable -- a damned IMPORTANT variable -- but there are others, like forced induction, how the motor is built, cams, etc...

We live in a pretty damned exciting time for motoring. There are all sorts of approaches to power, from brute force pushrod motors to technological finesse like the Coyote, to brute force boost -- like this 2.7 appears to be doing.

Still, 29PSI... I had no idea they were running THAT much boost. Nuts man, nuts.

 

[Rough Hollow Man]

Complexity is the Enemy of Longevity...in internal-combustion engines I believe. Why is the base Ford truck engine a naturally aspirated 3.5 V-6.... because it sells. Seems like some at Ford Marketing believe in the KISS system. Dystopic, is probably correct when he states that 29PSI is NUTS in the 2.7EB engine...who can work on something so complex? And at what cost to produce such power? Exciting times indeed.

 

[Chameleon]

29PSI?

Still, 29PSI... I had no idea they were running THAT much boost. Nuts man, nuts.

Peak boost not its normal operation.

 

[15wile]

Peak boost not its normal operation.

I'd hope not.

 

[austinnh]

I think the V-8 will still be around for a long time in the Mustang. If it can survive the 70s, it can survive CAFE and foreign displacement taxes.

The fact that Ford is using boosted engines in the Ford GT and Raptor is not necessarily indicative of their plans for the Mustang because those are specialty vehicles with only one engine option.

 

[Cars_1959]

We're probably not including the Flat Plane V8 here but just the Coyote.

If that's the case, maybe 2- 3 years. The 2015 GT and GT 350 have probably picked up a lot of new converts to the V8. The sound, press the pedal and smile and easy to reach 600HP boost you can do with the 4 valve Coyote lungs are still reigning.

If we're including the Flat Plane V8 IMHO this will keep the V8 alive for years to come. Nobody else domestically has Voodoo and it must get really crazy HP if you Eco Boost it. New standard for Ford in various HP flavors coming, we'll see.

I think they'll fade out the the Coyote V8s to a roar of fans wanting to storm the Ford decision makers. Remembering the not so long ago Blackberry vs iPhone battle might be an example. Keeping up with the latest technology/performance seems to push folks to the best available after some time.

That's why I'm getting my V8 / MT now in 2016 if I can get one that's halfway aligned and doesn't have too much rattling going on during my pick up test drive. :frusty:

:ford: Please stop it, even if it is "just a Mustang", as the Luxury sports car fans say, modern technology can fix these QC problems and we know you made money by the looks of the higher sales volumes. Your public Mustang Crew deserves it!!:shrug:

 

[wildsailor]

Ya'll are forgetting the 125 HP Ecoboost 1.0L 3-cyl coupled in series with a 300 HP electric motor option...LOL.

Just kidding, but at the same time I am hoping it doesn't come to that. The future storm clouds on the horizon are looking a little dark. Time will tell.

 

[Spartan]

I foresee a 2017/2018 lineup of:
2.3EB Base 335HP
2.7EB Mid model 400HP
3.5EB GT 460HP
5.0 Coyote Mach 1 460HP
5.2FPC GT350 550HP
3.5EB GT500 666HP+

And then a refresh in 2020 that drops the standard coyote V8 completely. CAFE is creeping up and isn't going anywhere good. The Coyote will drop from the F150 and the mustang at the same time. :(

They might just do one V6 EB for the standard production model, but 400HP+ is the number for a GT model, its not going backwards, and the 2.7EB already uses a shitload of boost to hit the low 300s in the F150.

I cant see them having that many motor options across the range...especially two EBs side by side.

 

[drbrian722]

You'll see a 10 speed auto in the S550, but never the current 3.5EB, it physically won't fit. Voodoo cannot hit the emission requirements to replace the Coyote, so that's pretty much out. The next platform will still have a V8, shared with the truck line and at that point a 6 cylinder EB will most likely settle in as an almost perfect sweet spot of 400+ HP and mileage goals. Again, a NA V8 will still be the top dog, but this generation is to wean you from a NA V6 to a FI I4, the next gen will wean you from a NA V8 to a FI 6. The generation after that will see a FI 6 as the big boy and V8s only in limited trims; think Boss & Mach.

 

[15wile]

Again, a NA V8 will still be the top dog, but this generation is to wean you from a NA V6 to a FI I4, the next gen will wean you from a NA V8 to a FI 6.

Well this gen did that. I couldn't pull the trigger on the V6. It was just too soft down low. Nothing against V6 buyers -- I know it's a good engine -- but it just didn't FEEL like a muscle car. The Ecoboost did. Torque heaven.

Of course, it still doesn't sound like one. Which brings me full circle... a boosted V6 doesn't sound like a muscle car either. So when that day comes, things are going to be dicey... It's easier to win over budget buyers with some cheap torque. GT buyers, on the other hand, like their V8 sound...

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