SS50: V6 versus GT (Practicality vs. Dream)

[MSC]

That moment you realize you spelt S550 as SS50...

I say, look for a low mileage 2010+ Stang and wait another few years for a used S550!

I've been looking around for a used Mustang in this area - Anything after 2011 is hard to find, though the V6s tend to be in great shape for what they are. They just approach the cost of the 2015 V6 real quick- A 2013 V6 is just $2K less than the 2015. But that is a pretty GT there...

Split the difference and get a premium EB.

I was down for the EB for a while, then I heard it. It reminded me too much of my current I4. I love hearing a turbo whining, but it didn't have the Mustang growl that I want. With that said, it'd sound perfect in an ST or RS.

So car/gas/insurance/maintenance costs have to be factored into your decision. After you run your numbers, you should have a good idea of where you stand.

You can make it a phased approach ... get the V6 now. Save for that house. Buy the house. Then as you get more settled into your dream job, get the V8.

Gas and insurance are huge for me- the latter especially since the area I live in charges $200 a month minimum for most cars based on location alone. The V6 wins a clear margin on these costs. My dad was a huge car guy when he was my age- he regrets not spending more on vacations and property, but he also regrets not getting the top line model car.

I know you're asking for advice, but truth is; you already know the answer. You'll get plenty of justification on this site for splurging, but in the end it is your budget you're living on and your own goals you're striving to attain. Sleep on it for a few days.

Will do.

Pretty much my exact predicament right now. I've all but convinced myself to get the GT.. I've never made a purchase like this and hell, we only live once. No matter what I'm going to be ecstatic once it's mine. I'm 28, no kids and no mortgage.. If not know it'll be in 10-20 years . I'm far to impatient for that. The feeling of settling for a different trim would be to much to bare.

Similar family situation and mortgage situation. I'd buy a GT if I wasn't stopped by realization I'm probably gonna not be able to sleep- just gotta figure out if it's because I'm excited, or because I'm worrying about the costs I've committed to.

This is almost exactly what I was going to say. We do not (nor should we) know the details of your budget. Really I have been waiting for over 10 years for this purchase, I bought a 2006 used, but sold it shortly after for the reasons you are talking about, it just did not feel right at the time. Now it is much later, have saved and am ready. But I do not take this purchase lightly, to me this is a 10yr investment minimum, I plan to take great care of it. I know there are those that say you are stupid to buy it and not race it, wring it out, whatever. But I am an adult. With kids and a wife. And other responsibilities. I will take good care of it and drive it responsibly, but could not see spending this kind of money on something that I would soon replace. The V8 Mustang is all I could ask for in a car, and as long as it is reliable it will be mine.

Sorry for the ramble, but if I were you and you are worried about money, do not ignore that side of you. There will always be a time where you can just go for it, but it sounds like that time is probably not right now for you...

Chris

Just out of curiosity, how are you making it work with a family? I've always seen the Mustang as the single man's car- if I had a family I'd be looking at a Focus ST. Do you have multiple vehicles? A daily driver? This is one of the strongest arguments I have for the GT right now - the Mustang is going to have to go goodbye when I have a family so I should enjoy it while I can.

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[ColdShotxx]

When I bought my v6, it wasn't settling, it was on the other end of the spectrum where it was a little more car than I was planning for(was looking at ~$11k used 05 GT). But then saw V6s showing up in 20k l, i stretched budget to make that work. I value the refinement, tech, and styling over the power and sound of V8. Now if I was in a position to spend $13k more for a 2015 GT over V6, would I? Not worth it to me, no. But if it is to you, do not settle for V6, you will regret it just as I know I would have if I seetle for older GT.

 

[E.jaba]

As some one has stated, a life must me lived...
And what makes the difference is having what really makes you happy...

Nowadays anyone with a decent job can own a GT, is a matter of credit score and time paying. The point is which other weekly things - small but important - you will stop doing because of having more payments?

Find those other things will help you to understand which is your best choice.

For me... I still think on a GT, but more than happy with my choice... and in the future we never know. ;)

 

[cbrookre]

Just out of curiosity, how are you making it work with a family? I've always seen the Mustang as the single man's car- if I had a family I'd be looking at a Focus ST. Do you have multiple vehicles? A daily driver? This is one of the strongest arguments I have for the GT right now - the Mustang is going to have to go goodbye when I have a family so I should enjoy it while I can.

My Wife has a 2013 Fusion Hybrid that we use as our family car, and we have a 2002 Explorer that we have had since new, I am driving that right now and we will still keep it to pull trailers (we live on 4.4 acres and have a travel trailer) and to take to Home Depot and such. So it will be used to drive with the kids (they are 7 and 10 right now) occasionally to take them to school and for short trips, but mostly will be my drive to work and our date night car. I drove a Focus ST and for me it does not have much larger back seat, much less trunk space (the Hatchbacks are very narrow in the cargo area, and I like to take golf clubs with me) plus it drives more like a go-cart which was not to my liking. The Mustang is much more comfortable and pleasurable to drive for my tastes.

 

[Reclaimer]

Order banks open for the 2016 model in May (May 12th I think). Save the extra scratch and put in an order for exactly what you want; a mustang GT. 2016's should start shipping in August, which would give you plenty of time (4+ Months) to reflect on if a GT is really the route you want to go, or if you'd rather bank that extra savings and get a base V6. If you change your mind while you're waiting for your GT to be built & shipped, no harm no foul.

 

[wildsailor]

First, nobody should ever listen to someone else regarding what is 'best' for you. Nobody else knows your experiences, beliefs, wants, desires, etc. Nobody knows what is best for you. Also, this isn't really a V6 vs V8 debate at all it is actually an exploration, in writing, as to what you (and people that have expressed the same mental debate) happen to be wrestling with.

First I will say this; it doesn't matter what you decide there will always be doubt sneaking in after the fact to unsettle the decision. This is human nature. Also, debating between these two is a lot like trying to figure out what icecream flavor to get; either one will be a win.

I know the sentiment of some of the responses you will get; 'if it ain't a V8 manual with Performance Package it ain't a real Mustang.' Horsepucky! You need to analyze your needs and wants as nobody else can do that for you. Whatever you choose will yield 'your' real Mustang.

With that it is time to look at your wants and needs. Not on here, but on your own piece of paper in a quiet location. Your basic needs and wants are where you need to look first.

Now, what are your 'gotta have's?' Do you have to have:

- heated seats
- selectable drive modes (remember this gives you snow mode which I felt was worth the upgrade)
- all-season tires
- fit in your garage or driveway
- drive all year round
- others drive it (may affect auto vs. manual)

Make your own list of needs and wants for each feature you think you want or need. Make sure you note which is a want and which is a need. Then, go back over the list and see if there are any that define the scope. The first two, for instance, dictate the Premium Package so the V6 is eliminated. In the end the answer will fall out.

I know, a large dose of logic to an otherwise emotional decision.

I will add this, however, if you have not had the opportunity to own and drive a V8 Mustang and there is even a minute inkling you can swing it do it. It is an experience that is a rarity and may not come again. If one is bitten by the V8 then settling for anything else will haunt you with more doubt. You may feel some day that buying it was a mistake but between day 1 and that point in time is an experience that is more than just driving.

Now I know what your thinking; why would this guy be saying all this when he has an Ecoboost on order? Because, this will be my fourth Mustang and I already did the V8 thingy. Now I can buy anything I want based on my true needs knowing what the V8 experience is like. It will never be a wonder for me casting future doubt on the equation.

Also, there is no requirement to modify or race the car you choose. In fact, I like my Mustang's stock and I just drive them. And that is the beauty of this car; when you buy one it is yours to do with what you want, how you want, and it will always be a real Mustang no matter what anyone else thinks.

Sorry for the dissertation but I hope this helps someone!

 

[aiiye]

I thought about this too except EB instead of V6..

I drove an EB, with PP even. Enjoyed it. Would have probably enjoyed DDing it.

BUT...there was a magnetic GT. I rebuilt a 289 with my dad for my 1967 DD (HS was fun once I started rolling up in that)...and I remembered how that V8 made me smile every time I put my right foot down.

Wet roads? Tight narrow 10-15 mph turns? Liberal application of the VROOM button and I was grinning like an idiot sliding the back end around corners.

I waited a month. Looked at the huge bump in insurance (~$50 a month) and calculated (low) gas mileage costs at high summer prices. Figured out my monthly income and expenses. Figured out a plan for getting married and starting a family down the road (hello 2nd hand Civic/Corolla to beat in traffic with kids seats in the back).

I walked into the dealer Friday with a list- built one. Walked out and did some soul searching. Came back sunday. Changed some options. Left some money. Now giddy and terrified (never bought a brand-new car before) but know if I hadn't done it I would always regret it.

Obviously- take care of the rest of your life. Budget properly- I haven't had a car payment in 7 years so that helped; paid my student loans off 15 years early as well (hooray for stock market). If you can feel good about the TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP and not throwing the rest of your life into disarray of sorts...pull the trigger on that GT.

 

[MSC]

Order banks open for the 2016 model in May (May 12th I think). Save the extra scratch and put in an order for exactly what you want; a mustang GT. 2016's should start shipping in August, which would give you plenty of time (4+ Months) to reflect on if a GT is really the route you want to go, or if you'd rather bank that extra savings and get a base V6. If you change your mind while you're waiting for your GT to be built & shipped, no harm no foul.

I have about $2000 of rebates that expire on 4/30, so the order would be made before then for the V6- I've already gotten a price below invoice. Add these rebates in, I'm hitting 11% under invoice. I'd be giving them up with a GT.

My Wife has a 2013 Fusion Hybrid that we use as our family car, and we have a 2002 Explorer that we have had since new, I am driving that right now and we will still keep it to pull trailers (we live on 4.4 acres and have a travel trailer) and to take to Home Depot and such. So it will be used to drive with the kids (they are 7 and 10 right now) occasionally to take them to school and for short trips, but mostly will be my drive to work and our date night car. I drove a Focus ST and for me it does not have much larger back seat, much less trunk space (the Hatchbacks are very narrow in the cargo area, and I like to take golf clubs with me) plus it drives more like a go-cart which was not to my liking. The Mustang is much more comfortable and pleasurable to drive for my tastes.

Interesting, I always felt the Focus ST was much bigger inside than the Mustang. Then again I'm comparing it to a mid-90s Japanese compact.

With that it is time to look at your wants and needs. Not on here, but on your own piece of paper in a quiet location. Your basic needs and wants are where you need to look first.

Now, what are your 'gotta have's?' Do you have to have:

- heated seats
- selectable drive modes (remember this gives you snow mode which I felt was worth the upgrade)
- all-season tires
- fit in your garage or driveway
- drive all year round
- others drive it (may affect auto vs. manual)


Make your own list of needs and wants for each feature you think you want or need. Make sure you note which is a want and which is a need. Then, go back over the list and see if there are any that define the scope. The first two, for instance, dictate the Premium Package so the V6 is eliminated. In the end the answer will fall out.

I've put some time aside tomorrow to go through this more throughly, but here's what I have so far. Your (and anyone else's) feedback would be greatly appreciated (Just to make sure I haven't gone nuts), though I feel I am leaning V6 heavily:

R = Required, N = Nice to Have

- (R) Manual Transmission (The most required of all requirements)
- (R) Leather and heated seats (GT Premium, or V6 with Katzkin options)
- (R) Ability to teach manual driving to friends and family
- (R) Natural aspiration
- (R) Exhaust note better than a mid-90s Japanese compact
- (R) Power seat for driver
- (R) Nimble handling
- (R) Reasonable operating cost
- (R) Interior Lighting Kit
- (R) Spare Tire
- (R) Easy to handle when tired and stressed, fun to drive when relaxed
- (N) 3.55 axle ratio
- (N) Summer tires
- (N) Toggle switches (Yessssssss)
- (N) Leather trim option
- (N) Reliable infotainment system
- (N) Passenger power seat
- (N) GT grill
- (N) Driving modes

 

[Asharus]

good article i read a long time ago

http://blog.caranddriver.com/how-wed-spec-it-the-2015-ford-mustang-of-our-dreams/

 

[docprego]

I'd also say this: 300 horsepower is nothing to sneeze at. Not too long ago GT's weren't putting this much power out. The V6 S550 is a massive performance bargain.

 

[Spartan]

I'm in the exact same boat (I'm waiting by chance to see if the magical unicorn shows up and gets us a premium V6 for 2016). I'm the same way with money but I can afford a GT..but it's that whole power thing and does anyone really need the GT where the V6 power is fine. So is the EB. But then there's the BUT ITS A GT.

There are obviously lots of logical and good answers on here.

Do the math on gas vs the V6 and GT (both run fine on regular). Do the math on your insurance and the math in the obvious difference between the cost of the V6 and GT.

Then I suggest going to the dealer and driving all 3 in the same conditions, speeds, etc.

Then you have to go home and ask yourself if you bought A, is it ok that BC were left out. If you were to buy B, is it ok that AC are gone...etc.

If there is ANY and I mean ANY feeling of regret then you have to get whatever that is that is giving you the twinge.

One last thing...the car of the year awards, multiple awards the 2015 have gotten...those have ALL been GTs...so keep that in mind...

 

[thehunterooo]

This thread will have 10 pages in a day haha, time to get some popcorn!

 

[NewTekBuzz]

Hi guys.

The Mustang is my dream car, and the moment I saw the S550 I knew the time had come to achieve said dream. But right now, I'm split between the V6 and the GT.

There's something to be said about owning a GT. It's the penultimate Mustang. It's what I feel a Mustang should be. I like all the little luxuries. I'm a techie, so I like the features in the Premium model. I drive 100 miles a day and after driving an Escape for some of those commutes... I've learned to value how a car handles and drives. So the GT hits those points real nice.

But then there's the other side of me. I grew up poor, and I was grateful to have parents who always put food on the table. The side effect of this is I hate having debt, or spending more money than I should on something else. So I can swallow the cost of a base V6 better than spending an additional $10-20K on a GT model. I can justify $215 a month more easily than $600. I can afford a GT comfortably if I wait a couple of months, but the price tag still gives me a heart attack.

The V6 has fuel costs, insurance, and driving environment (city) going for it. The GT has premium options, performance features, and fun factor. I'm heavily leaning towards the V6 as it makes the most sense and makes it much easier for me to buy a nicer home down the line. But whenever I sit in my friend's California Special... I wonder if that extra money is worth it. I've driven both and the V6 and GT both hit the spot, so that makes it even harder.

What would you do?

Bottom line is buy what will make you happy with no regrets! Don't buy to keep up with the Johnsons. If your not a speed junkie the V6 will be fine. If your a techie, make sure you go over all your question before you buy.... Even if the car your looking at has larger touch screen, doesn't mean it comes with GPS. Just an example. Ask questions
Best of luck

 

[anotherneon]

Split the difference and get a premium EB.

exactly my thoughts. The ecoboost has more power and better fuel economy than the V6 and has alot more potential for mods if you want to make it as faat as a GT. Or keep sazing for a few months and get a '15 GT when the '16s are released in a few months as there will be heavy rebates on the 15s then.

 

[Asonitez]

When I bought my Base V6 with some security and convenience packages... it was quite a decision for me. I have 2 cars a 2014 GMC Acadia (still paying) and now my mustang. When I bought the mustang it was my first ever in my life brand new car. I make a very good salary but when I realized what it could cost me in $$$ for the GT and a few options it wasn't worth it to me. 300 HP is awesome. Add in a Catback & Supercharger down the line I have a daily driver with more power than I can ever need. I took the money I WOULD have spent on the GT and instead purchased a new Boat with my Dad. I have my dream care and we have our dream boat. Both will stay in the family for quite some time.

I'm not a gear head. Speed dosen't matter to me as much as looks. Sure I might do the occasional spirited stop light drag, but looks are whats important to me. I will never take my 30,000 dollar car into a autocross. I will never be a fast and the furious wanna be at a street race. I will never obsess about my car to the point where its just a garage queen. I will never get to unleash all 300 horses on the highway without killing myself, others, or getting so many tickets my license gets revoked. I don't know ANYONE who does all this stuff on a regular basis and has lived to tell about it. I don't need my Speedo to go up to 180 because I will probably never take the car past 85. Other than for tuning purposes I will probably never dyno my car.

For:
789 + 300 Installed - I can have a Katzskin Leather/Vinyl interior in the colors I want with BETTER quality materials than the package Ford Offers.

Eventually aftermarket companies will make the toggle switches specific to the V6 Mustang that didn't come standard with it and it would be a < 100 dollar upgrade.

Infotainment will also get the same treatment with either

A.) A flip screen solution with all the bells and whistles as sync has or
B.) A plug and play center console replacement that will be pricey but probably look better and have more features than SYNC.

Considering ALL of this stuff will result in a cost less than < 2K I think I'm getting a deal here..

As for V8 Power?

Grab a Catback an a Supercharger and you have your V8 Killer.... Superchargers will come down in price. Like many people 300 horses at the moment is PLENTY... If it will void my 5 year warranty then I'm not really interested.... Most people are in the same boat. Trust me..... Rousch Fascia's and parts...whipple and procharger superchargers will come down in price drastically as more mustangs get on the road and more manufacturers start releasing products. Until then I will drive my 300 horses like I stole it. I'm saving 250 from each paycheck into a "Mod" account and I don't notice it. Its already over 3K... That's a lot of mods...

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