GT350 vs. Z/28

[speedracermustangfan]

Lol, because if you can't trust him to be accurate on simple math and facts...then how can you trust him to be accurate with the Z or Gt350?

What's your opinion? Do you think the gen6 z/28 will have the lt4? Something else? What are your thoughts on heat soak? Guess a torque # for the gt350? Guess a weight for the gt350/gt350r? I'm thinking a 3500lb gt350r would go over very well, but sometimes I'm hopefully optimistic...

I'm worried that chevrolet will offer something slightly better than the gt350 soon. I would encourage those at ford to be aggressive with the gt350, 540+ hp would be incredible. A follow up gt500 to deal with the top gen6 camaro should see similar suspension/track upgrades, along with top hp bragging rights again. A tt/sc 5.0 with 720-750 hp.

I'm an insider, I know things. You better take my word as the gospel...or else.:cheers:

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[9secondko]

Why is everybody still bickering about the weight of a s550 gt? I thought this was a gt350 vs Z28 thread...:doh:

Does it really matter?

Even if the pill is off by a bit on the weight...who cares. I want to see more discussion about the ass whipping the z28 will receive. I want to talk about the 6th Gen z28/zl1, if that lt4 will heat soak like it does in the 2015 z06. I want to talk about 1/4 mile predictions...I'm hoping the gt350 can touch an 11...

Let's keep it on topic. addle:

Could be wrong. But I thought the whole GT weight discussion started as a reference point to possible GT350 weight.

And then snowballed with some seemingly offended by anything that may seem optimistic.

 

[DivineStrike]

Lol, I have a hard time believing the R will be 3500lbs. There is a reason they claimed 130 lbs lighter than the regular 350 with TP rather than claim either are lighter than the GT. I believe it is entirely possible for both to be under the base GT weight. Just not by much... If I were to give a wild guess the I'd say the R could be around 3600lbs

 

[DivineStrike]

Not offended by anything optimistic at all.. just dislike using false information to make further claims

 

[Erik427]

It was 3544lbs with a 1/4 tank of gas. That would put it a little over 3600 curb with a full tank. So your around 3500 is quite a bit off.

If you say so.....

 

[02gtnh]

If you say so.....

I don't have to say so, it's right on there website for everyone to see and read.

 

[speedracermustangfan]

Lol, I have a hard time believing the R will be 3500lbs. There is a reason they claimed 130 lbs lighter than the regular 350 with TP rather than claim either are lighter than the GT. I believe it is entirely possible for both to be under the base GT weight. Just not by much... If I were to give a wild guess the I'd say the R could be around 3600lbs

No!
3599.99lbs!
lulz...

I think the weight will matter less if they (ford) can attain some awesome lb/hp and hp/liter. 540 hp would be 103-104 hp/liter. It would also be cool if they Dyno near 520 so that they put out 100hp/liter to the wheels. Talk about bragging rights and kudos. Especially after the 1999 cobra debacle. The 2013 gt500 put very good numbers down on the dyno. What are thoughts on the 5.2 voodoo dyno #'s?

If one could be had around 52,000 I would be very tempted to try and afford it somehow. Save some money and get the 2017 if there is one.:ford:

 

[DivineStrike]

Lol, the R isn't about hp... So, the lighter the better

 

[speedracermustangfan]

Some reported 8% drivetrain loss for the 2013 gt500. That might be a little optimistic as well, but the fpc and gt350 drivetrain could see _____? 7%?

550 hp gt350 (underrated in the gt350r) at 7% drivetrain loss would be 98.36hp/liter...at the wheels. Somewhere around there, I'm getting close I can feel it hnnnggh.

Anyways...that would go over well as a "global car" overseas and such with the real deal at the wheels.
Something the z/28 can't quite brag about...

 

[Fox5.0]

Why do people doubt it will be 3500? I know the z/28 is like 3800, but isn't the vette like 3200?
No don't start flaming on me, I honestly don't know much about this topic. It just seems that this thing would be light like 3300-3400.

 

[speedracermustangfan]

Why do people doubt it will be 3500? I know the z/28 is like 3800, but isn't the vette like 3200?
No don't start flaming on me, I honestly don't know much about this topic. It just seems that this thing would be light like 3300-3400.

The z51 stingray is around 3400 right? Without the use of carbon fiber stuff. A 3500ish R would put the c7 in its sights. The way c7 z51s are priced near me means that if the R can msrp near $70k we could see direct comparison and competition between the R and the z51 stingray...

 

[Fox5.0]

The z51 stingray is around 3400 right? Without the use of carbon fiber stuff. A 3500ish R would put the c7 in its sights. The way c7 z51s are priced near me means that if the R can msrp near $70k we could see direct comparison and competition between the R and the z51 stingray...

Just read that it's 3526... So wouldn't the gt350 need to be even lighter to compete with the vettes 650 HP.

 

[02gtnh]

My thoughts that the G350R will be around 3650lbs. This is based on what I have read from reports from Ford. It not a lot lighter then the base GT, but still 200+ lighter then the Z28. So with most likely more power and lighter, I can see the R beating the Gen 5 Z28.

 

[thePill]

Originally, the GT's weight was a concern because it directly translates to the GT350.

These guys have posted about 2 dozen curb weights and none of them got within 8lbs of Fords claim.

If the Power to Weight Ratio is correct at 6.63, then the GT350R will be below 3500lbs at 520hp. That is far out of the z28's league. At 3600lbs, it would need to produce 543hp to come out at 6.63 PtW.

Not offended by anything optimistic at all.. just dislike using false information to make further claims

No, I think some of you are extremely offended by optimism. Furthermore, I have reason to believe it throttles some people when my "wild speculation" comes out closer than some are comfortable admitting. If I didn't have real world curb weights and actual experience in this area, I probably wouldn't say anything at all.

Put yourselves in my shoes, one of these guys didn't know the LS7 was a Corvette engine, one of these guys had no idea what tire pressure does to distribution and, one of you think you know cage construction... Go tell an Open Wheel F or Indy car they don't have a cage, they will look at you funny.

I don't skip your post to be rude, I just lose interest once what I claimed is observed by a 3rd Party.

We were very happy the 2015 was slightly lighter than my 2011. Terry was ever so happy one was within 30lbs of his lightened 2011.

Some people are offended by our delight apparently...

Riddle me this...

Is there an 87lbs Curb Weight difference between the 2011 GT and the 2015 GT? The only person to show his cards says NO, it is within 30lbs. I say that gap will be closer once it's said and done. I have reason to believe that this is due to Curb Weight reporting standards and the absence of two reported curb weights.

Not as big of a deal as the 3-4 of you are making it out to be. Did I mislead people here with my 3577lbs claim? No, I wouldn't think so... Not while the very first weigh-in was 16lbs away from my claim and, well within my 20/20 spread estimate. Lying about my 2011's weight??? Come on man... Get over it... Terry sent out a picture of his 2011 at 3663lbs, again, only 16lbs from my claim. We were at slightly different deletion at our Phase 0 but, they were close.



Now, MY FEAR, is that some of that 87lbs somehow finds its way into the official GT350 curb weight. This is going to get confusing... Ford already quoted the "135lbs" is from the GT350TP, WHY IS THE GT350TP being used? Will that be the official curb weight for the GT350 while the base is left alone?

Why report a GT350TP curb weight while using a Base GT curb weight? Why is a "Base" selected as official and a Track Pack is optioned for the "lighter" sports version of the S550? How could we ever really know the weight savings if we don't know every models weight?

Or, I can just drop the subject and let my faithful readers get blindsided by a regulatory technicality.

 

[Pablo GT350]

First of all we need to get on the same page as far as fuel. Seems to me Pill argues almost empty tank and everyone else is using numbers for a full tank. Can we at least agree to use a common baseline? I would also suggest quoting numbers without the trunk junk since you won't be carrying that weight at the track.

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