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[HoldenSSVandGT350]

They sat on the lots forever even with huge discounts. They were a sales flop. Sorry bud.

It hurt hot-rodding. Guys were swapping back to carbs for a long time. It took a long while for the tools to come out and the knowledge to spread. Plus most of the early EFI setups sucked.

Back then you had to binary edit files and burn proms and all the tools to do so were incredibly expensive. It was the stone age. Have you ever worked on a Fox or early SN95 where you have to jumper the pins with a paper clip and count the light blinks and then look them up on a manual? You had to manually check sensors with multimeters etc?

It was the right thing to do, but we're spoiled now with $25 OBD II tools, mail order tunes, wideband o2s, sophisticated ECUs, $300 tuning devices...

My friend. I’ve owned and raced Foxes and an SN95 and S197 Coyote since the ‘90s. 306s, 347, 75-150 shot dry kits, Powerdyne and Vortech 8-10psi kits, too many HCI combos to recite. Gears, throttle bodies, Headers, oh my! Dialed in my KOEO .98 volt TPS sensor adjustment dozens and dozens of times. Still have my old Sunpro timing light and distributor wrench for old times sake too. But, it’s 2026 now and that was then.

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[Oakley]

Not like 8K. Past 8K. Now, talk more tough guy speak please, it’s entertaining!

im glad you agree with me. thank you for clarifying.

 

[robvas]

Also calls his Chevy SS a 'Holden'

 

[MAGS1]

Not like 8K. Past 8K. Now, talk more tough guy speak please, it’s entertaining!

I started ignoring that Oakley guy years ago. He can’t have an adult conversation without name calling. The very definition of a keyboard warrior.

 

[ShadesOfBloo]

...most of the early EFI setups sucked.

Do you speak ill of Chevrolet and their Cross CeaseFire fuel injection???


Jokes aside, fuel injection was old news in aeronautical engineering, so it was well-established that it could be reliable and perform well. It was just new to car guys, for a while.
There were fighter planes using direct injection in the late 1930s.
Jerry's engine problems had less to do with whether their fuel injection was tunable and more to do with their V12s being upside down, the crank throwing more oil to one side than the other, gravity pulling oil into the combustion chambers...
(That, and their factories got bombed now and then.)

Adding electronics to fuel injection might have gone better if it was driven by a wartime need and budget. Instead it was carried out by car companies run by bean-counters, reluctant to listen to their engineers, and we just had to bear with them.

 

[ShadesOfBloo]

Also calls his Chevy SS a 'Holden'

I think it is, in the sense that it was built in a Holden factory and shipped to the USA.

 

[MAGS1]

Also calls his Chevy SS a 'Holden'

Considering it was imported from Australia via contract with Holden, yeah it’s a Holden. He just explained it a few posts ago. There’s several here in my neck of the woods, some kept the Chevy badging, others swapped in the Holden badges. They’re monsters with a few bolt ons

 

[robvas]

Crossfire injection

That was a bad one but wasn't very common. But you had low-performance stuff like throttle body injection as well.

You could get a 1957 Chevy with fuel injection...I remember my dad had a 70's Cadillac with a fuel injected 350.

Whole point is it wasn't good for the backyard hot-rodder for a while

 

[robvas]

Considering it was imported from Australia via contract with Holden, yeah it’s a Holden. He just explained it a few posts ago. There’s several here in my neck of the woods, some kept the Chevy badging, others swapped in the Holden badges. They’re monsters with a few bolt ons

I think everyone knows that.

Those guys are just weirdos who are obsessed with re-badging their cars.

 

[MAGS1]

I think everyone knows that.

Those guys are just weirdos who are obsessed with re-badging their cars.

So, if it was actually built by Holden how is it weird that they put the Holden badges on it? It’s not the same GT guys putting Shelby badges on their cars if that’s what you’re getting at.

 

[robvas]

So, if it was actually built by Holden how is it weird that they put the Holden badges on it? It’s not the same GT guys putting Shelby badges on their cars if that’s what you’re getting at.

It's not the same at all, it's not upbadging.

They're just weirdos who are obsessed with it.

Nobody would know what it was if they left the Chevy SS badges on it anyway.

How do you know someone owns a Chevy SS (or Pontiac G8)?

They'll tell you they have a Holden!

 

[Oakley]

I started ignoring that Oakley guy years ago. He can’t have an adult conversation without name calling. The very definition of a keyboard warrior.

i wonder what its like to be so thin skinned you can't talk like a normal human on the internet and get butthurt because somebody talks about your washing machine on wheels.

my money is on this guy being a middle management HR type

 

[ShadesOfBloo]

Considering it was imported from Australia via contract with Holden, yeah it’s a Holden. He just explained it a few posts ago. There’s several here in my neck of the woods, some kept the Chevy badging, others swapped in the Holden badges. They’re monsters with a few bolt-ons

I was disappointed that Ford didn't give us the choice to buy the Aussie Falcon here.
Or, better still, get the drawings from Australia and build it in the USA.
It seems more like they tried to hide it from us. Ford salesmen around here were certainly clueless about it.

When my parents had the Speed Channel, and some of us liked to watch Australian V8 Supercars, mention of the 2004 Falcon confused the **** out of my local Ford salesmen.

 

[Strokerswild]

Doesn't do Chevrolet any good now. GTO values are up and that was a sales flop too.



It was a sales flop. They had massive discounts, and they sat on the lots forever. Turns out nobody actually wanted a $40k car that looked like a Malibu/Impala.

Yeah, an uncle is a rabid Pontiac collector and is kicking himself now for selling his Brazen Orange '06 GTO, which was a pristine manual example.

Those, too, suffered from styling that was too mainstream GM, IMO. Shame.

 

[robvas]

Yeah, an uncle is a rabid Pontiac collector and is kicking himself new for selling his Brazen Orange '06 GTO, which was a pristine manual example.

Those, too, suffered from styling that was too mainstream GM, IMO. Shame.

I had people ask if mine was a Cavalier or Pontiac G6

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