Best Supercharger for GT - Price/Performance/Warranty

[sqidd]

However the ProCharger HO and Stage 2 systems ....... is VERY VERY road course friendly, due to the lack of heat soak.

I have never seen forced induction that wasn't an issue at the RR track unless it had a lot of custom work to keep it cool. And I have seen them all. I'm a huge fan of boost. It really is a bad idea for road course work though unless silly budgets are in play.

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[ProChargerTECH]

I have never seen forced induction that wasn't an issue at the RR track unless it had a lot of custom work to keep it cool. And I have seen them all. I'm a huge fan of boost. It really is a bad idea for road course work though unless silly budgets are in play.

What your describing can be common with other Forced induction.
However that is NOT anything we experience with our systems.

Road Course testing, (Durability Testing) is part of our normal testing process. Hence why you might see our "canned" tunes come in at 540-560hp, while custom tunes can get 580-600hp.

From tune, to intercooler our system is designed to last at WOT!

Last year, we tested the WORST heat offenders around, the C6 and C7 Corvette. Both spent (3) days on the full Heartland Park's 2.1 mile road course. The warmest day we got here in KS was 99 degrees. We had a mild summer for us, the highest temp on a road course day for us was 80 degrees.

Neither car had any issues of any sort. Nor did our Mustangs or Camaro's for that matter. Actually the ECT, and IATs stayed flat consistent lap after lap, once they came up to operational temperatures. Lap times stayed consistent as well. (Actually entrance speeds into turn #1, were only off by tenths of a MPH each lap)

The ONLY issues we ever had, was the C6 and the Mustang GT would start to boil the brakes, and brake fade was present. (Even with upgraded pads, and fluids) However thats not a blower related issue at all.

Centrifugal with no heat soak
Safe tune, with spark values and AFR's in check
Intercooler that can shed IAT's lap after lap

All of those play a factor, in keeping the motor happy on the road course.

Even the GM High Tech magazine 5th Gen Camaro with the i-1 ProCharger on it, spent its life going around the Palm Beach FL road course, while the editors loved it. (There is a youtube video somewhere, of an entire track event filmed from the interior)


**NOTE: All our company owned test cars are 100% stock, no cooling modifications are ever made (other then what might come in the kit, for space limitation reasons)

 

[sqidd]

What your describing can be common with other Forced induction.
However that is NOT anything we experience with our systems.

Road Course testing, (Durability Testing) is part of our normal testing process. Hence why you might see our "canned" tunes come in at 540-560hp, while custom tunes can get 580-600hp.

From tune, to intercooler our system is designed to last at WOT!

Last year, we tested the WORST heat offenders around, the C6 and C7 Corvette. Both spent (3) days on the full Heartland Park's 2.1 mile road course. The warmest day we got here in KS was 99 degrees. We had a mild summer for us, the highest temp on a road course day for us was 80 degrees.

Neither car had any issues of any sort. Nor did our Mustangs or Camaro's for that matter. Actually the ECT, and IATs stayed flat consistent lap after lap, once they came up to operational temperatures. Lap times stayed consistent as well. (Actually entrance speeds into turn #1, were only off by tenths of a MPH each lap)

The ONLY issues we ever had, was the C6 and the Mustang GT would start to boil the brakes, and brake fade was present. (Even with upgraded pads, and fluids) However thats not a blower related issue at all.

Centrifugal with no heat soak
Safe tune, with spark values and AFR's in check
Intercooler that can shed IAT's lap after lap

All of those play a factor, in keeping the motor happy on the road course.

Even the GM High Tech magazine 5th Gen Camaro with the i-1 ProCharger on it, spent its life going around the Palm Beach FL road course, while the editors loved it. (There is a youtube video somewhere, of an entire track event filmed from the interior)


**NOTE: All our company owned test cars are 100% stock, no cooling modifications are ever made (other then what might come in the kit, for space limitation reasons)

How much boost? How many seconds at max boost? What were the peak IAT's? OEM IAT sensor?

 

[Kbreese]

What your describing can be common with other Forced induction.
However that is NOT anything we experience with our systems.

Road Course testing, (Durability Testing) is part of our normal testing process. Hence why you might see our "canned" tunes come in at 540-560hp, while custom tunes can get 580-600hp.

From tune, to intercooler our system is designed to last at WOT!

Last year, we tested the WORST heat offenders around, the C6 and C7 Corvette. Both spent (3) days on the full Heartland Park's 2.1 mile road course. The warmest day we got here in KS was 99 degrees. We had a mild summer for us, the highest temp on a road course day for us was 80 degrees.

Neither car had any issues of any sort. Nor did our Mustangs or Camaro's for that matter. Actually the ECT, and IATs stayed flat consistent lap after lap, once they came up to operational temperatures. Lap times stayed consistent as well. (Actually entrance speeds into turn #1, were only off by tenths of a MPH each lap)

The ONLY issues we ever had, was the C6 and the Mustang GT would start to boil the brakes, and brake fade was present. (Even with upgraded pads, and fluids) However thats not a blower related issue at all.

Centrifugal with no heat soak
Safe tune, with spark values and AFR's in check
Intercooler that can shed IAT's lap after lap

All of those play a factor, in keeping the motor happy on the road course.

Even the GM High Tech magazine 5th Gen Camaro with the i-1 ProCharger on it, spent its life going around the Palm Beach FL road course, while the editors loved it. (There is a youtube video somewhere, of an entire track event filmed from the interior)


**NOTE: All our company owned test cars are 100% stock, no cooling modifications are ever made (other then what might come in the kit, for space limitation reasons)

 

[Barrel]

What your describing can be common with other Forced induction.
However that is NOT anything we experience with our systems.

Road Course testing, (Durability Testing) is part of our normal testing process. Hence why you might see our "canned" tunes come in at 540-560hp, while custom tunes can get 580-600hp.

From tune, to intercooler our system is designed to last at WOT!

Last year, we tested the WORST heat offenders around, the C6 and C7 Corvette. Both spent (3) days on the full Heartland Park's 2.1 mile road course. The warmest day we got here in KS was 99 degrees. We had a mild summer for us, the highest temp on a road course day for us was 80 degrees.

Neither car had any issues of any sort. Nor did our Mustangs or Camaro's for that matter. Actually the ECT, and IATs stayed flat consistent lap after lap, once they came up to operational temperatures. Lap times stayed consistent as well. (Actually entrance speeds into turn #1, were only off by tenths of a MPH each lap)

The ONLY issues we ever had, was the C6 and the Mustang GT would start to boil the brakes, and brake fade was present. (Even with upgraded pads, and fluids) However thats not a blower related issue at all.

Centrifugal with no heat soak
Safe tune, with spark values and AFR's in check
Intercooler that can shed IAT's lap after lap

All of those play a factor, in keeping the motor happy on the road course.

Even the GM High Tech magazine 5th Gen Camaro with the i-1 ProCharger on it, spent its life going around the Palm Beach FL road course, while the editors loved it. (There is a youtube video somewhere, of an entire track event filmed from the interior)


**NOTE: All our company owned test cars are 100% stock, no cooling modifications are ever made (other then what might come in the kit, for space limitation reasons)

Curious what the highest amount of miles you've seen on a Coyote using a ProCharger? I've yet to see anyone with more than 30k miles boosted without modding the internals.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

How much boost? How many seconds at max boost? What were the peak IAT's? OEM IAT sensor?

We run our stock kits as they are sold to our customers.
- Same boost levels we ship
- Same tunes we ship

Lots more then just an OEM IAT sensor. (Although the cars do have them, and we do data log the OEM data as well) However that data is only collected just because. Since the sensors are slow to react, and not all calibrated.

We are thankful to have an entire industrial division that supplies very complex systems, and lots of amazing electronics to back everything up. Thus our testing equipment is state of the art. (We also use 3 redundancies to back up all data, to make sure a sensor isn't off) Please check out our industrial line up at http://inovair.com/

We use Heartland Park, because we can run cars on the road course for FULL RACE / Track Day amounts of time, while still being able to run cars down the drag strip at the same time. So while say a Mustang is out on a 15-30min session on the road course, we can run cars like the Challenger or Camaro down the drag strip.

Here is the course lay out we use. (In dark grey)

I URGE YOU to read this blog about the C7 intercooler testing we did, just for that platform. ** CLICK HERE FOR AN AWESOME READ **


There is a reason we talk about "No Heat Soak" in our ads.
It's not just talking about sitting in traffic, or driving down the road.
We are talking about long term heat soak, like Road Course driving.

Are systems are PROVEN power producers, and we have 100 champions, 1000's of records, and an amazing line up of products ready for people to enjoy. (This 2015 Mustang kit is no different)

Guess the fact remains, we can stay out on the road course at WOT, as long as the factory brakes can hold up.
*Or Trans temps. However this limitation is nothing due to the supercharger, but just the nature of the car.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

Curious what the highest amount of miles you've seen on a Coyote using a ProCharger? I've yet to see anyone with more than 30k miles boosted without modding the internals.

Miles are easy. Heck a person in TX can rack up 100k highway miles without stressing anything, just due to the nature of how far things are apart.

However, not everyone daily drives their Coyote car. A lot of them are "toys"
So the only reason these mileage numbers are lower, would be due to the lack of driving.

Willing to bet our 2011 GT has over 500+ dyno pulls on it. Countless trips down the drag strip, and at least 20,000 miles on it. That stock motor is still rocking and rolling. (We have recently bought a built motor, though that is because we are doing stress testing of a blower at high HP limits, and needed to make sure the motor would not fail, for accurate data collection)

HERE IS A BLOG ABOUT A 230K MILE PROCHARGER.

 

[sqidd]

You didn't answer any of my questions.

 

[LethalPerformance]

Whipple!!

 

[jayman33]

^^^ looking good guys!!

 

[BathS550]

Procharger,
I live in a, somewhat, remote area, and while ultimately I would get a custom tune, I like the idea of having a conservative base tune to run...

When the larger intercooler/blower options are available, will there be a complete "kit" option with uprated intercooler, larger supercharger AND complete tuning/fueling? Even if I just run the 8psi setup at a relatively low output for the kit capabilities, I'd love to be able to drive it for the Spring/Summer ... and then next winter build the block, upgrade headers, change pulleys and have the car custom tuned at that point.

 

[JoeDogInKC]

Procharger,
I live in a, somewhat, remote area, and while ultimately I would get a custom tune, I like the idea of having a conservative base tune to run...

When the larger intercooler/blower options are available, will there be a complete "kit" option with uprated intercooler, larger supercharger AND complete tuning/fueling? Even if I just run the 8psi setup at a relatively low output for the kit capabilities, I'd love to be able to drive it for the Spring/Summer ... and then next winter build the block, upgrade headers, change pulleys and have the car custom tuned at that point.

The kit comes with a Diablo inTune tuner and a ProCharger designed tune to install, right out of the box.

 

[BathS550]

The kit comes with a Diablo inTune tuner and a ProCharger designed tune to install, right out of the box.

I appologize, Im tired and my post was probably poorly constructed.

Procharger has been discussing the release of a "Stage II" Kit with the same headunit, but an uprated intercooler. I am curious if they will be able to offer this kit with the uprated intercooler AND a larger headunit ... but as a complete kit with tuning and fueling; or, if this kit will only be a "tuner" kit.

 

[House of Boost]

I appologize, Im tired and my post was probably poorly constructed.

Procharger has been discussing the release of a "Stage II" Kit with the same headunit, but an uprated intercooler. I am curious if they will be able to offer this kit with the uprated intercooler AND a larger headunit ... but as a complete kit with tuning and fueling; or, if this kit will only be a "tuner" kit.

The ProCharger complete kits (HO and Stage 2) always come with the P-1SC-1 head unit, since thats what is available to get CARB EO#'s.

Both of those systems will come with tuning. (or without if a customer doesn't want it, which is called a tuner kit)

HO System = Shared Drive, P-1SC-1, 8psi, HO Intercooler
STG 2 System = Dedicated Drive, P-1-SC-1, 9psi, Stage 2 Intercooler

Basically right now you can get the HO system, with upgraded Stage 2 intercooler (and tuning). And basically be in the same boat as a full Stage 2 kit, but not have the dedicated drive system.

Hope that makes sense,
HoB

 

[ProChargerTECH]

You didn't answer any of my questions.

Yes, answer all of them.

BOOST LEVEL: Stock levels that out kits ship with.
TUNING ON ROAD COUSE: Same tune that ships with the kits
ENGINE COOLANT TEMPS:Stock, exactly what the car does stock
IAT TEMPS: Depends on Vehicle and Intercooler, but as low as 17 deg. delta.
TESTING EQUP: 15 Industrial grade themo couplers, (3) Lap tops, plus other goodies
TESTING DURATIONS: Could be 5min, could be 30 min.
(limited by brake fade or factory limits such as trans temps getting to high)

So yes, the ProCharger system keeps the ECT's in check, IAT's in check.
And power levels will be nearly identical lap after lap, thanks to the lack of heat soak.

Brakes are the biggest concern, on any OEM car we test. After the 8-10min mark, ALL of them have crazy amounts of brake fade. With stock brake systems with upgraded pads and DOT 5.1 fluid. (Except the C7)

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