GT350 Dealers List.

[Rated R]

I can tell you from experience as a Mustang enthusiast reading those forums that every time a special new Mustang comes out it's the same old ADM argument. And, time after time it's people posting how "if only there wasn't an ADM I could afford one." Well, in my opinion, if an ADM puts a car out of reach then that person probably couldn't afford the car anyway.

The vast majority of people who can really afford high end cars don't have the time or interest in scouring the forums to hunt for a deal; they just go buy the damn car for whatever deal they work out with the dealer

Brian, I agree that if an ADM bumps you out of your budget for a GT350 then you shouldn't even be looking at it. But I'm also of the mindset that if you can't pay cash for it (or for any other toy for that matter) after covering all of your financial responsibilities, then you shouldn't be considering a purchase either. For someone like myself, paying ADM would absolutely kill the joy I would otherwise have in driving the car and taking care of it. All I would be able to think of when looking at it is how much I got ripped off. I'd argue most feel the same way no matter how high priced a car is, nor the financial prowess the individual has.

Whether you remember it or not we've traded pm's both here and at TMS a few years back when I was interested in GT500's and B302's. I've expressed to you my dissatisfaction with many dealers in my area. Most are ADM dealers, they don't call back and are generally unresponsive. In fact I threw in the towel with Ford and bought three Chrysler products since because I was so fed up. Ford dealers actually forced me to another brand because of the way they treated me. Having said this I grew up largely in a Ford owning family having had loyalty to the brand for many years. Ford is on a tear now and my mistake was thinking that Ford was not a good brand because of its dealers but in fact it is a good brand in spite of its dealers. You just have to find a good one. Unfortunately I didn't find them till now.

Back then if you were attentive, forthright and had made the commitment to ordering and selling me a B302 or a GT500 for MSRP there would have been a very high likelihood that you would have also sold me a Raptor or FX4, the Explorer Sport my wife now has, and a GT350 this fall. But for whatever reason you wouldn't and won't commit to an allocation. You've become part of the frustration I have with Ford dealers. How hard is it to commit to a potential long term client? Knowing that you'll be getting a few GT350's and you'll order one of them exactly how I want it, and sell it to me for whatever the sticker will be? All you've given me is this 'we don't know pricing or how many we're getting, it's way too early' stuff. Well I finally found a local mid-volume dealer (like you) who knows they'll be getting at least one and they'll sell it to me for sticker. If this deal goes through and they honor their commitment to me, they're going to get a '16 Raptor order and a Focus sale for my daughter. I'm loyal as the day is long. If I'm treated well from the onset I will be back for future business.

I reached out to you before I found this dealer. Part of what you do involves a lot of tire kickers. Most are probably a waste of your time but that is the business you're in. I contacted you, expressed my interest and feel like you blew me off like so many other dealers. I guess you guys really don't have to try that hard...:shrug:

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[robb]

Some dealers might only get one, but most will have several due to their history of Mustang sales.

Not according to this article. http://www.mustang6g.com/?p=5448

 

[R 350 gt Donson]

This is my last post on this subject, but let me have one more "shot at the title"
a) You manufacture a new mouse trap (better than anyone else's, and when people see what you made everyone is going to try to improve on it...so you need to make a big splash)
WHY- because the more or your traps people see people using, the more popular your traps are PRECIEVED . (I know this is mis-spelled)
So you sign up some resaler's of your mouse trap. You tell the resalers that you think this (XXX) is a fair price of the traps based on all your research. They agree but they think to them selves hey this is so good of a mouse trap that I think we can get more. So they ask for more so they can many more money, and they sell only a few (but could of sold a lot) and guess what....a competitor come out will a new cooler product 6 months later and the window to get your new mouse trap out in the market is gone....gosh what went wrong? Greed screwed up the whole thing....
Ford needs this car on the street we have a white space of time here before something new hits the market...right now...Z-28 is old and changing body styles in the next year or so, and they want all the guys on this forum to be looking at their car in the near future. Ford has to make its mark NOW and that will not be done if this car is NOT affordable. There to many value shoppers here on this site alone, let alone this the market place (not mustang loyalist) I'm talking about "give me a great car that does this and this....at this price and I'm a buyer. Ford knows this but its just some of these dealers are seeing a 15K extra profit on 1 or 2 cars and forgetting, about multiple cars needing service....etc represents more money all the way around...well that's my thoughts.

 

[Cruzinaround]

The Manufacturer can simply police the dealerships by noting what they price their products at for the buying public. If that price is a gross margin over the MSRP then the manufacturer can penalize that dealership with no more inventory or fines levied on future purchases.

I would think that the Marketing and Business development segment of a company like FoMoCo is actually gleening some information from forums such as this. Its a very real insight for the demographic they are marketing to.

And likely they are reading everything we put here and absorbing it. Because if enough people weigh in about it... things eventually change because in the end Ford wants to make more money. Definitely one way for them to ensure more sales would be to eliminate any opportunity to steer sales away by adding ADM's.

Like I said... things will change. The NADA lobbyists might contribute a lot of money to the polical arena, But so do the Big Auto makers and those Auto makers can also contribute end product in the name of proof of concepts through the same channels the lobbyists do.

Dealerships have a narrowing window to continue to pull their BS until things change to level that playing field in the favor of the consumer and the Manufacturer.

 

[chopsui]

Originally Posted by Grimace427 View Post
Some dealers might only get one, but most will have several due to their history of Mustang sales.

Not according to this article. http://www.mustang6g.com/?p=5448

That link confirms exactly what Grimace said. Enrolling in the program guarantees a dealership AT LEAST one allocation per year. It then says that the remainder of supply will be doled out based on sales.

 

[Cruzinaround]

This car is a considered a buyer's draw. So the dealers who are not high volume Mustang seller's simply pay for the garanteed allocation and then display the vehicle on the lot as a draw for the public to come and see. Then once in the door...the vultures decend to weed out the tire kickers from the guppies. The guppies eat all the BS they are fed by the vultures and if they can't afford the draw vehicle that dealership forked over a measly 1k for... they are then steered into the lesser vehicles that offer an experience just like that draw.

This is a Innovations driven Marketing tactic on FoMoCo's part to boost sales potential of all their vehicles by providing a draw vehicle. (wink) Trust me. But, dealerships that are high volume movers of Specialty vehicles will still get more than a single car. This offer is for the GM of any other dealership to guarantee getting a top end car to their benefit. Get them in the door and flip them into a sale of any of their other inventory.

Grimace is correct.

 

[R 350 gt Donson]

Brian, I agree that if an ADM bumps you out of your budget for a GT350 then you shouldn't even be looking at it. But I'm also of the mindset that if you can't pay cash for it (or for any other toy for that matter) after covering all of your financial responsibilities, then you shouldn't be considering a purchase either. For someone like myself, paying ADM would absolutely kill the joy I would otherwise have in driving the car and taking care of it. All I would be able to think of when looking at it is how much I got ripped off. I'd argue most feel the same way no matter how high priced a car is, nor the financial prowess the individual has.

Whether you remember it or not we've traded pm's both here and at TMS a few years back when I was interested in GT500's and B302's. I've expressed to you my dissatisfaction with many dealers in my area. Most are ADM dealers, they don't call back and are generally unresponsive. In fact I threw in the towel with Ford and bought three Chrysler products since because I was so fed up. Ford dealers actually forced me to another brand because of the way they treated me. Having said this I grew up largely in a Ford owning family having had loyalty to the brand for many years. Ford is on a tear now and my mistake was thinking that Ford was not a good brand because of its dealers but in fact it is a good brand in spite of its dealers. You just have to find a good one. Unfortunately I didn't find them till now.

Back then if you were attentive, forthright and had made the commitment to ordering and selling me a B302 or a GT500 for MSRP there would have been a very high likelihood that you would have also sold me a Raptor or FX4, the Explorer Sport my wife now has, and a GT350 this fall. But for whatever reason you wouldn't and won't commit to an allocation. You've become part of the frustration I have with Ford dealers. How hard is it to commit to a potential long term client? Knowing that you'll be getting a few GT350's and you'll order one of them exactly how I want it, and sell it to me for whatever the sticker will be? All you've given me is this 'we don't know pricing or how many we're getting, it's way too early' stuff. Well I finally found a local mid-volume dealer (like you) who knows they'll be getting at least one and they'll sell it to me for sticker. If this deal goes through and they honor their commitment to me, they're going to get a '16 Raptor order and a Focus sale for my daughter. I'm loyal as the day is long. If I'm treated well from the onset I will be back for future business.

I reached out to you before I found this dealer. Part of what you do involves a lot of tire kickers. Most are probably a waste of your time but that is the business you're in. I contacted you, expressed my interest and feel like you blew me off like so many other dealers. I guess you guys really don't have to try that hard...:shrug:

Well said !!!:clap2:

 

[Tom]

No, I'm not the GM at our dealership. However, I've been an active member of quite a few Mustang forums for the past 15 years. I can tell you from experience as a Mustang enthusiast reading those forums that every time a special new Mustang comes out it's the same old ADM argument. And, time after time it's people posting how "if only there wasn't an ADM I could afford one." Well, in my opinion, if an ADM puts a car out of reach then that person probably couldn't afford the car anyway.

Trust me, there are plenty of people who want a car like the GT350 who do not have the ability to buy one, and many of them salivate and post up about those cars all over the internet on every forum they can find. The vast majority of people who can really afford high end cars don't have the time or interest in scouring the forums to hunt for a deal; they just go buy the damn car for whatever deal they work out with the dealer. Keep in mind that there are only a couple dozen people on this website reading this post, and just a couple hundred people actively in the GT350 posts here, putting them in the vast minority of shoppers for this car.

More importantly, if you don't like an ADM posted at a dealership on a car you absolutely want to buy, then why not simply strike up a deal in person with that dealership and negotiate down to a price you're willing to pay. You'd be surprised how many dealerships will negotiate down off an ADM and below MSRP if you show genuine interest and an ability to buy.

I find it hard to believe, that you would have such a condescending attitude towards People/Customer's. Why are you so defensive of ADM's? when people are willing to pay MSRP. In your first post you were complaining about having to sell your vehicles under MSRP, and yet you want to have a ADM, then let a customer negotiate the price down from the ADM, and even willing to sell the vehicle under MSRP! So what's the real point of having the damn thing to start with? I don't consider the GT350 to be a High End Car as you say, and affluent people who can afford High End Car's, do make time to study what they want. They make a informed decision just like everyone else. I believe if a customer were to inquirer about a vehicle, in this case the GT350, then He/She is showing genuine interest in said vehicle, and should be treated with respect and not disdain. So by your inference, if a customer were to complain about a ADM you had on one of your vehicles, you would deem them unable to afford the car in your mind, based on that conclusion? I'm sorry, but I find your attitude counterproductive. No Disrespect Intended.

 

[FiveLiterDreamer]

The title of this thread should be ADMs are they fair or not. This thread has nothing to do with dealers and whether or not they are selling vehicles with ADM or not I would bet that like my dealership most dealers do not even know if there will be an ADM or not. So maybe I can drop my name and put in my two cents on this issue. We will have GT350s at Village but since pricing hasn't been announced and our allocation hasn't been determined we can not say if there will or will not be an ADM on this vehicle at this time. As a sales person I agree with points on both sides. Price should be determined by Supply V. Demand, after saying that IF dealers do decide to charge an ADM then I personally believe that those who are patient and would rather not have to pay an ADM will get a GT350 by waiting and being patient. Just like the GT500 I believe Ford will build as many as the public demands. On the flip side of the coin I would love to not see an ADM on this vehicle especially if Ford can get a lot of vehicles out there at first that way I can sell all my customers off of my growing list and make myself some money. Keep in mind that most dealers do not pay Sales People any money off of an ADM charge. I'd rather sell you 10 cars over the course of your lifetime than one car and you resent me.

 

[Rated R]

The title of this thread should be ADMs are they fair or not. This thread has nothing to do with dealers and whether or not they are selling vehicles with ADM or not I would bet that like my dealership most dealers do not even know if there will be an ADM or not. So maybe I can drop my name and put in my two cents on this issue. We will have GT350s at Village but since pricing hasn't been announced and our allocation hasn't been determined we can not say if there will or will not be an ADM on this vehicle at this time. As a sales person I agree with points on both sides. Price should be determined by Supply V. Demand, after saying that IF dealers do decide to charge an ADM then I personally believe that those who are patient and would rather not have to pay an ADM will get a GT350 by waiting and being patient. Just like the GT500 I believe Ford will build as many as the public demands. On the flip side of the coin I would love to not see an ADM on this vehicle especially if Ford can get a lot of vehicles out there at first that way I can sell all my customers off of my growing list and make myself some money. Keep in mind that most dealers do not pay Sales People any money off of an ADM charge. I'd rather sell you 10 cars over the course of your lifetime than one car and you resent me.

How does not knowing what the sticker will be have any relevance as to whether or not ADM will be charged? What you're saying is, if the sticker is low enough and demand is high enough to get ADM then that's what you'll do. Just say this upfront so everybody knows and can make the decision whether or not they will choose to deal with you...:shrug:

 

[68fbjjz109]

Frankly I think the GT350 will likely be worth every bit of its MSRP price, I would be willing pay $250.00 over MSRP to cover the $1000.00 buy in for the Program since the dealer I am been in contact with is slatted to get four, as the are also a Ford Outlet.

I can afford the GT350 at MRSP, 10K -20K would stress me financially, and frankly the car isn't worth that kind of money. I would just wait, or buy something else. Because I am not paying Focus ST aswell.

When I used to live in Philly, I was GT500 shopping for a friend. McCafferty Ford in Langhorne had a 2013 GT500 w/ Track pack for 1K under MSRP. In fact their GT500 was the Cheapest one find on Ebay and people where asking more for used ones which was ludicrous when you consider the difference in interest rates. If I can't get a dealer to play ball, in Michigan I will go back to PA.

I fully aspect this car the follow the GT500 path in pricing. After 6-9 months you be able to get them at or under MSRP.

 

[FiveLiterDreamer]

How does not knowing what the sticker will be have any relevance as to whether or not ADM will be charged? What you're saying is, if the sticker is low enough and demand is high enough to get ADM then that's what you'll do. Just say this upfront so everybody knows and can make the decision whether or not they will choose to deal with you...:shrug:

That's only one piece of it. If Ford says we are gonna get twenty cars in the first year then we likely wouldn't charge an ADM.

 

[FiveLiterDreamer]

I fully aspect this car the follow the GT500 path in pricing. After 6-9 months you be able to get them at or under MSRP.

I agree with you it's exactly what happened with the GT500 in fact I used Mustang 6G to sell one of our 2014 models which ended up going out about 500 over invoice.

 

[SVTFreak]

I agree with you it's exactly what happened with the GT500 in fact I used Mustang 6G to sell one of our 2014 models which ended up going out about 500 over invoice.

I second that. The 350 will be built in greater numbers over a few years. Initially will comman adms. Then it won't. Then you'll have your choice at invoice or slightly over. It's not like it's the LE that will be built in half or less numbers.

My dealer offered me a gt500 at less than invoice when he had three of them sitting there. And it's not a large dealer. They got one LE (mine) and 2 bosses. One gt in 04.

 

[Rated R]

That's only one piece of it. If Ford says we are gonna get twenty cars in the first year then we likely wouldn't charge an ADM.

In that scenario supply would be up which would prevent you from charging ADM if demand doesn't exceed supply. It's the same thing. By not committing to your customers by saying 'we'll sell it to you for msrp' you may as well say you're going to charge ADM if at all possible. Just say it man...:doh:

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