Ford GT becomes the fastest gas powered car to ever lap the Nurburgring!

[robvas]

NASCAR has nothing to do with production cars

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[MAGS1]

The title of this thread, and the record Ford set, has nothing to do with production cars either (or even street legal cars for that matter). Yet some people continue to make it an issue.

By the way, as i and others have already said, the Mk IV is a fricking production car. Ford made 67 of them that the public can purchase if you have the funds. Track only or not.

Ford and Multimatic built a really impressive car, showing off what they’re capable of. I applaud it, not sure why some can’t. I’d applaud the same if GM put its Corvette race car out there and beat the Mk IV. These types of cars are meant to show off their capabilities and Ford did exactly that.

 

[robvas]

production car is really stretched by non-road legal, no VIN...

like when the ford guys would bring up the Cobra Jet when the a demon came out

 

[PP0001]

The title of this thread, and the record Ford set, has nothing to do with production cars either (or even street legal cars for that matter). Yet some people continue to make it an issue.

By the way, as i and others have already said, the Mk IV is a fricking production car. Ford made 67 of them that the public can purchase if you have the funds. Track only or not.

Ford and Multimatic built a really impressive car, showing off what they’re capable of. I applaud it, not sure why some can’t. I’d applaud the same if GM put its Corvette race car out there and beat the Mk IV. These types of cars are meant to show off their capabilities and Ford did exactly that.

Being a somewhat older automotive enthusiast, I suggest that there is a significant generational gap between myself and many other enthusiasts on this forum therefore suggest that my thoughts are much different than many others.

When growing up in the Muscle Car Era of the 1960's as a teenager my passion for HP vehicles was centered around the likes of the NHRA, Bonneville, NASCAR, Formula I, Indy Car Racing, 24 Hours of Le Mans but my favorite form of racing was always SCCA Racing which featured Pony Cars in the Trans-Am Series of the '60's and '70's.

Never once back in the day did I give a thought as to whether some incredible high-performance vehicle had a 9–13 digit VIN (which permanently changed to a 17-digit VIN in 1981) and that same mindset also applies for me today regarding a VIN or no VIN HP automotive example.

As you mentioned earlier, the original intent of this thread was centered around the Ford GT Mk IV setting the record at The Ring for being the fastest automobile that is exclusively powered by an ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) and at the same time also set the record as the fastest American OEM example around The Ring.

When looking at iconic automotive brands such as Ferrari, Porsche, McLaren, Aston Martin, Lamborghini and Maserati to name a few, what an outstanding accomplishment of automotive excellence that was achieved and now owned by the entire Ford/Multimatic Team and as a long time and loyal Blue Oval enthusiast for almost 6 decades it does not get any better than this!

For those automotive enthusiasts that only recognize, gravitate to and appreciate HP vehicles that only have a 17-digit VIN and don't acknowledge the magnitude or significance of what the Ford Motor Company just accomplished, somewhat difficult to comprehend but then again each to their own!

 

[9secondko]

The whole point being - FORD set the current record with a GAS POWERED VEHICLE. It doesn’t matter if it was a “race car” or a “production car” or a “prototype” or ANY other type of manufactured vehicle . . .

Ford did break the record, period.

I mean and I think it’s already been said by others - if one REALLY wants to get “technical” about it - the Ford GT Mk IV that broke the record, albeit a “race car” is available to the buying public as the Ford GT. Granted the public version ISN’T a true balls to the wall “race car” like the Ford Mk IV GT that just broke the record - but again, I’m not going to spend time going deeper down the “technical in the weeds” path.

I mean, as an analogy to compare:
NASCAR cars although “race cars” have to be a Manufacturer’s production vehicle that is either mass produced or can be produced in a certain quantity available to the buying public. No, people can’t go into a showroom and buy a NASCAR and drive it on the street - but if you really think about it, the Ford Mk IV GT “race car” has its similar public production car too - the Ford GT…

Are there rules as to what type of vehicle can be driven at the NURBURGRING or which are allowed to break records? Just because the Ford Mk IV GT is a “race car” it can’t be one that breaks a track record?? C’mon now, LMAO.

that’s already been noted.
But what some miss is that it’s a separate conversation from fastest street production car around the ring. F

ord wanted the fastest American production car time. They didn’t get it. So we will see how far they get with the new Gtd.

mid we are going to start here and pretend there’s no difference, then you might as well drop the ICE and just talk about the fastest CAR.

I mean if you’re platting that game, or the “who cars abput street vs race car” bit with “it’s about car vs track.” Ok. The car bs track is your parameter.

In that case, the mk4 is not even the fastest car. Some electric thing is.

and that’s why categories matter friends.

 

[PP0001]

Yet the street legal GT gets beat by the GTD and ZR1 at the Ring. And loses to the ZR1 0-60. Perhaps loses to the GTd too.

This is the difference street legal versus track only vehicles make and why they don't belong in the same conversation.

Maybe I missed it, but with the vehicles that you referenced all being regular production street going vehicles therefore what is your point?

 

[ihasnostang]

someone in my metro area has one in a big mancave complex. i'm gonna have to make my way to one of these events in hopes to see it

 

[NuclearDiode]

Congrats Multimatic!

 

[Bikeman315]

that’s already been noted.
But what some miss is that it’s a separate conversation from fastest street production car around the ring. F

ord wanted the fastest American production car time. They didn’t get it. So we will see how far they get with the new Gtd.

mid we are going to start here and pretend there’s no difference, then you might as well drop the ICE and just talk about the fastest CAR.

I mean if you’re platting that game, or the “who cars abput street vs race car” bit with “it’s about car vs track.” Ok. The car bs track is your parameter.

In that case, the mk4 is not even the fastest car. Some electric thing is.

and that’s why categories matter friends.

Maybe it’s time for you to stop. You keep regurgitating the same thoughts that has already been refuted by almost everyone on this thread. You made your point. Move on.

 

[MAGS1]

Maybe it’s time for you to stop. You keep regurgitating the same thoughts that has already been refuted by almost everyone on this thread. You made your point. Move on.

He’s another one I added to the Ignore list. Spewing his same old crap 50x over. 1 less headache to deal with.

 

[MAGS1]

that’s already been noted.
But what some miss is that it’s a separate conversation from fastest street production car around the ring. F

ord wanted the fastest American production car time. They didn’t get it. So we will see how far they get with the new Gtd.

mid we are going to start here and pretend there’s no difference, then you might as well drop the ICE and just talk about the fastest CAR.

I mean if you’re platting that game, or the “who cars abput street vs race car” bit with “it’s about car vs track.” Ok. The car bs track is your parameter.

In that case, the mk4 is not even the fastest car. Some electric thing is.

and that’s why categories matter friends.

This thread isn’t about street cars, smart guy. Go away

 

[Dragster]

This thread isn’t about street cars, smart guy. Go away

Sure, but it’s the internet, so it doesn’t take long for things to get derailed. Post #2 makes a comment about Chevy, which implies that they’re talking about the ZR1/X.

Plus, there really isn’t much to say about the video in and of itself—it’s an amazing lap in an amazing car! Not much else to say about really, unless we want to complain about price and availability.

 

[MAGS1]

Sure, but it’s the internet, so it doesn’t take long for things to get derailed. Post #2 makes a comment about Chevy, which implies that they’re talking about the ZR1/X.

Plus, there really isn’t much to say about the video in and of itself—it’s an amazing lap in an amazing car! Not much else to say about really, unless we want to complain about price and availability.

Chevy got brought in because the Mk IV ran in the same category as the ZR1X (and just about every article out there mentions it). 2 totally different cars though.

If I had $2 million laying around, I’d try to buy one of the 67 Mk IV’s that Ford made. Sadly, that money tree is taking forever to grow

 

[robvas]

Let's remember the Corvette is only under prototype class because they use a US spec car (and weren't even available in Europe at the time of the run)


the U.S. versions do not qualify under the track’s production vehicle classification for Europe, and thus, were classified as prototype/pre-production models for the record attempt.

 

[9secondko]

The title of this thread, and the record Ford set, has nothing to do with production cars either (or even street legal cars for that matter). Yet some people continue to make it an issue.

By the way, as i and others have already said, the Mk IV is a fricking production car. Ford made 67 of them that the public can purchase if you have the funds. Track only or not.

Ford and Multimatic built a really impressive car, showing off what they’re capable of. I applaud it, not sure why some can’t. I’d applaud the same if GM put its Corvette race car out there and beat the Mk IV. These types of cars are meant to show off their capabilities and Ford did exactly that.

this Is nonsense. Everyone is applauding it for what it is. But some of us are able to see the clear distinction of what it is: fastest ICE race car around the ring. What it isn't: fastest car around the ring, street legal road going car, or fastest production car around the ring.

Maybe it’s time for you to stop. You keep regurgitating the same thoughts that has already been refuted by almost everyone on this thread. You made your point. Move on.

not maybe it’s time for you to stop avoiding those points.

you come in late in the discussion and try to dictate? Hilarious.

the fact is your “point” about “track versus car” didn’t work out in your favor. Because if you ignore road car vs race car, then you slso have to ignore ICE car vs EV/hybrid. And if you do that, then mk4 isn’t the fastest car vs. the track.

it’s a real conundrum you put yourself in.
So dobt come here with your non-point and try to tell others who actually have points to “stop.” It’s disrespectful and completely antithetical to the discussion.

Ford themselves made the point of the GTD being a production road car going sub 7. Originally they wanted to beat the GT3RS - another street legal production car) but didn’t quite make it, so they settled for being the first USA road car to go sub 7. Then they were beaten by the zr1 - another production car. Hey, so be it. Thsys why we have another Gtd doing the rounds. Even multimatic interviews had them talking about production car ring runs, with the AMG One being the only car they thought the GTD would be too out of reach, before also acknowledging they’d probably not match the gt2RS EITHER.

THE entire time, the discussion was using the production car parameter.

that’s why the mk4 run is a separate thing altogether. A different category. It doesn’t factor into the conversation that ford, multimatic, merges, Porsche, or GM have been having.

it’s actually disengenuous to try to conflate them.

so now we have the Mk4 as the fastest ICE car. A clear distinction.
Great. Impressive rven. Given that distinction. If we forgo the traditional conparisons of road car competition and throw a full on race car that is not street legal in there, it takes the cake at that track. But it thrn also requires a clear distinction category to give it that win - “ICE CAR.”
You have to separate it from the larger “car” category that includes EV AND HYBRID and have a separate conversation that has its own ICE category.

so if it were just “car vs track” as you say, then the mk4 is just an slso-ran. It’s not the fastest anything at all. Other cars are indeed faster.

but if you do the normal sensible thing and classify them, then you get the mk4 as the fastest ICE car, the AMG One as the fastest road car - which the GTD and ZR1 compete with - and everything makes sense again. Just as of you never posted your “track vs car” bit.

and that’s a more logical place to go. With these kinds of conparisons as road cars are inherently sandbagged with regulatory stuff that weighs them down and softens their capabilities compared to a race car. And electric cars have some inherent advantages over ICE in some areas.

Just like a heavyweight boxer has inherent advantages over a flyweight boxer. Categories exist for a reason

Just like we have men’s sports and women’s sports. And the records for each are different and cannot be conflated.

if you just say “human vs sport” it’s not a fair conparison. Hence, again, categories.

or, you know, just to make you happy, we can just say “hey world, who cares about categories or race car vs grocery getter. It’s just car vs. track.”

great. Then Ford wins nothing. Zilch. Nada. Wow. Grrat point you made there. Big help.
Thanks for playing.

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