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Cut and pasted from my reply in the 7G forum of the same subject:

From what I take in light of Farleys recent comments, we'll never see a Bulllitt, Mach 1, Cobra, Boss, Shelby GT350 or GT500 roll out of a Ford plant as long as he's holding the reins. Everything is about the Dark Horse, his personal Mustang stamp. His own words were that Shelby doesn't race (and currently they don't), Dark Horse does race (it does). That a detail that sound easily be flipped. if the powers that be wanted it that way. They obviously don't. History and nameplates that call back to the legendary days are the past, must to the chagrin of those that have carried the torch the past 60+ years. Legacy is nothing to those at the top of the glass house. Except that to those that have carried that torch and beat the Ford drum for those many years it's a spit in the eye. For those that do not know, Ford didn't win a World Championship in 1965, Shelby did. Boss 302s won the Trans Am championship. Ford got waxed at LeMans two years running and proved that money alone doesn't buy a victory. It takes that something special that Miles, and Shelby and that entire crew brought to the '66 race. But the story that came before that is even more impressive and important. It'll never be on the screen,sadly. So, all of the experts who think they learned everything there is to know by watching Ford V Ferrari, be content with thinking you know the history that's being left behind. But the Cobra Ferrari Wars is much better, there's just no Ford GTs (the British tagged them Ford GT40s), only Cobra roadsters, Daytona Coupes (all 6 of them) and a bunch of smart, hard working hot rodders who knew what it took to go fast, earn respect and truly take on the world and win. These guys today...don't.
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Cut and pasted from my reply in the 7G forum of the same subject:

From what I take in light of Farleys recent comments, we'll never see a Bulllitt, Mach 1, Cobra, Boss, Shelby GT350 or GT500 roll out of a Ford plant as long as he's holding the reins. Everything is about the Dark Horse, his personal Mustang stamp. His own words were that Shelby doesn't race (and currently they don't), Dark Horse does race (it does). That a detail that sound easily be flipped. if the powers that be wanted it that way. They obviously don't. History and nameplates that call back to the legendary days are the past, must to the chagrin of those that have carried the torch the past 60+ years. Legacy is nothing to those at the top of the glass house. Except that to those that have carried that torch and beat the Ford drum for those many years it's a spit in the eye. For those that do not know, Ford didn't win a World Championship in 1965, Shelby did. Boss 302s won the Trans Am championship. Ford got waxed at LeMans two years running and proved that money alone doesn't buy a victory. It takes that something special that Miles, and Shelby and that entire crew brought to the '66 race. But the story that came before that is even more impressive and important. It'll never be on the screen,sadly. So, all of the experts who think they learned everything there is to know by watching Ford V Ferrari, be content with thinking you know the history that's being left behind. But the Cobra Ferrari Wars is much better, there's just no Ford GTs (the British tagged them Ford GT40s), only Cobra roadsters, Daytona Coupes (all 6 of them) and a bunch of smart, hard working hot rodders who knew what it took to go fast, earn respect and truly take on the world and win. These guys today...don't.
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Have you guys seen the Shelby variations of Mustang? I guess people will get those just for the name 😂. They’re all over 800 HP I just watched an instagram video otherwise I had no idea they existed. I’ve only helped with the current GT350/350R conversion from a GT.
 

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Everyone has such a hard on for the shelby name. Shelby isnt what they use to be thats for damn sure
Shelby is a good name unless you hate the history of the Mustang. The Dark Horse name isn't as good as Shelby, and the products with the DH name aren't good enough for me to ignore the name. I never thought Boss was a great name, and Cobra isn't a proper name for a Mustang. Cobra is a legendary car by far superior to Corvette made by Shelby and I never agreed with Ford using that name on the Mustang.

The Shelby name might be more about honoring the past, but DH hasn't done anything in the present. No legend there, that's for sure.

The Dark Horse could be the name for a different car. Why even call it Mustang? Mustang isn't what it used to be, that's for sure.
 

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the products with the DH name aren't good enough for me
Except they literally have Shelby parts. It’s a parts bin car just like the Mach, some of the parts might have been upgraded or tweaked slightly but still originate from the S550 Shelby’s. DHSC has the GT500 powertrain. I have driven a DH HP, it’s every bit as good as a GT350 minus the Voodoo. Not liking the car or the name is one thing, but the product itself is every bit as good as the S550’s.
 

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Have you guys seen the Shelby variations of Mustang? I guess people will get those just for the name 😂. They’re all over 800 HP I just watched an instagram video otherwise I had no idea they existed. I’ve only helped with the current GT350/350R conversion from a GT.
Shelby and RTR both. And they were getting some Haye upon reveal. However, I imagine that people are appreciating them a lot more now.

bother companies were stuck with the 5.0 and a10 as far as best performsnce drivetrain goes. Somehow RTR GOT TO 870 hp though.

both cars invested in suspension, body, interior,, cooling, and engine upgrades.

just looking at them, they both spent a lot of time getting a nice OEM quality aesthetic with designs that really work for what they went after - especially in comparison to the DHSC, which look a bit cheap (mostly front grilles, hood vent, and rear diffuser - especially that play-dough diffuser).

Shelby and rtr did what they could with ehst ford provider for a base unit. Unfortunately, being aftermarket, they have to soak the cost of the mustang up front, so customers par double at minimum, but actually more due to low economy of scale.

they’re great cars, but obviously not quite engineered to the level of a ford factory top tier car the DHSC is, but it’s based on the old top tier. So it may wash out a little closer than in history past.

I expect the DHSC to be a title faster, handle better, and be more upgradeable and yes, more ugly.

Tje Shelby name is that of course, but it’s also a connection to a heritage. The Shelby grts it’s own VIN as well. I don’t know if RTR goes that far, but I would think they do with how close Gitten has gotten with people at Ford.

“Mustang” is also “just a name. But it’s a name that means something. And it didn’t go over too well when thst meaning was spat on by naming an EV SUV after it.

do we can try to reduce companies, products, and efforts to “just a name.” Heck we can reduce people to just their name. But names are connection to meaning. And they matter. They just do.
 

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Except they literally have Shelby parts. It’s a parts bin car just like the Mach, some of the parts might have been upgraded or tweaked slightly but still originate from the S550 Shelby’s. DHSC has the GT500 powertrain. I have driven a DH HP, it’s every bit as good as a GT350 minus the Voodoo. Not liking the car or the name is one thing, but the product itself is every bit as good as the S550’s.
man’s thays the rub. It’s the old car gussied up enough to sell in 2026. It’s not a comparable effort to the 2020 effort. If they put that kind of effort in, we’d be ecstatic. Instead, it’s just the old car massages a bit. We are used to that with the GT. But not the GT500. Ford historically aims for the sky with those. And that’s probably why they can’t call this one a Shelby. It would really upset the base. So instead they rename it and take the comparison away. But it’s not fooling anyone.

We all know the s650 is ford’s bare minimum mustang generation. They had to navigate through an uncertain minefield and a lot of what we see now has been in the works for a couple years already.

But we do see they can pivot when they need to, such as with the “Boss” naming. And that’s where they shoukd have left it. It would be a major upgrade for Boss fans. Kinda like the 03 Mach 1 being basically the previous gen Cobra. And literally everybody loved that Mach 1. subsequent COBRAS weren’t called “Mach 1 SC” and same with the boss. We didn’t have Boss and Boss SC. LIKEWISE dark Horse should be its own thing snd the top model shoukd be its own thing. If Ford wanted to consolidate names as just upgrade packages, they could call the cars “GT, GT+, and GT SC.” But that would be lame. And that’s kinda what we have here.

It’s just a very unfortunate misstep. Can’t call it any other thing. It’s not the same level of “what the heck?” As the Mach E disaster, but it’s not good.

just go back to calling it “Boss.” Not Dark Horse Boss. Just “Boss.” And reap the rewards. But continuing this way, you’ll still get most would-be gt500 customers who are die hard mustang guys, but you’ll start to lose them. You start confusing people and then can’t even articulate why you did so in any reassuring way and things stsrt to crumble. Just recognize it’s an issue and pivot. Yes it’s a little embarassing for a second, but it’s also the right thing to do, makes customrrs happy, earns the respect of people who now know you listen to the base, and will result in enthusiasm for the brand - even if you can’t fully invest in it just yet.

some people are calling this the Mustang 2 generation. I don’t agree. That was a HORRIBLE time. Ford has definitely learned from history this time around. It’s a decent generation now. Ford has done what it can to keep the car viable and eating the pain where the sales are concerned. That’s commendable. And that’s why such an effort is difficult to take when they could have so EASILY made this new car a winner for everyone - with nothing but a name.

just start with a blank screen and the words “the Boss is back.” Cut to a screaming mustang flanked by wild stallions in the smoky twilight heading toward the camera, followed by the thunderous exhaust as it passes…and cut. Boom. Instant win.

gonna go cry in my coffee now.
 

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Honestly, where you're coming from, just get the new DHSC. Depending on price, it will e a bit faster than the GT500 and will be brand new.

We have our issues with the DHSC, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a place.

If I were in your shoes, I'd get the new car. But I'd probably get a body kit to cover the factory aesthetic. LOL.

If you can find a low mileage, pristine GT500 at a bargain, that would be great since it looks great too,

Just depends on what the price ends up being.
Is this a decent deal?https://www.jackyjonescdjr.com/inve...ang-shelby-gt500-rwd-coupe-1fa6p8sj7n5502434/
 

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What's crazy is that Shelby is a very refined OEM looking design, whereas the actual Ford car looks like the typical tuner body kit.
This.

The Shelby is downright sexy, they nailed it. That said, the DHSC is the best looking Dork Horse by far, but that's not saying much.
 

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Shelby American "conversions" keep the factory vin

That's all they are. Basically the same added on and overcharged crap from the dealer like those $15,000 lifted truck packages.

Basically ripping off guys that don't know any better and just want to buy something "cool", even if it just signals they're a dummy with a little bit of money.
 

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here's an idea I'm going to get thumped over, but I don't care. Since a lot of you are jacked up over the Shelby name, how about another name, like Steeda.
Steeda is a well respected aftermarket parts supplier and modifier of Mustangs.
What if Ford took their DH HP, gave it to Steeda, told them to squeeze all the performance they can that could be built on an assembly line, and Ford would call it the Mustang Steeda 500 or something and pay Steeda royalties. Would something like that be acceptable?
 

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here's an idea I'm going to get thumped over, but I don't care. Since a lot of you are jacked up over the Shelby name, how about another name, like Steeda.
Steeda is a well respected aftermarket parts supplier and modifier of Mustangs.
What if Ford took their DH HP, gave it to Steeda, told them to squeeze all the performance they can that could be built on an assembly line, and Ford would call it the Mustang Steeda 500 or something and pay Steeda royalties. Would something like that be acceptable?
Like this?

https://www.steedavehicles.com/#/steeda-darkhorse

Ford teaming up with them would be weird.
 

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While I dislike the dork horse name, I like that they aren't partnering with anybody for the name. But, to be honest I don't care at all about the history or heritage of the mustang or any of the tuner companies they've partnered with. I only buy things based off of the product it's self, and don't want a bunch of badging of any kind.
 

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Doesn’t seem to have the carbon fiber track pack, so no. But That’s my opinion.

a 4 year old car is a four year old car. Who knows how those 11k miles were driven. Snd paying the as-new price or more for an old car just idd add NG my idea of a deal. It may be fair market. But it’s not a deal.

Nice car though.

here's an idea I'm going to get thumped over, but I don't care. Since a lot of you are jacked up over the Shelby name, how about another name, like Steeda.
Steeda is a well respected aftermarket parts supplier and modifier of Mustangs.
What if Ford took their DH HP, gave it to Steeda, told them to squeeze all the performance they can that could be built on an assembly line, and Ford would call it the Mustang Steeda 500 or something and pay Steeda royalties. Would something like that be acceptable?
Yeah. Wow. Amazing. You really nailed the whole reason we are “jacked up” over the name and solved the entire issue in ine go.

maybe we should call it the “cervini” instead though. You know since they make body kits and all.

thanks for respecting our concerns and contributing so deeply to the discussion. /s.
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