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Hurry up and burn through those Nitto’s buddy! They are no bueno
I'm trying. 16K and the sumbitches won't die :). The rear is a bit thin now though... Saving up a bit to get some new ones, I am going all season this time so I can actually go out in cold months if the weather is decent.
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I have never diluted PERL <laughing> that far but thinking about what it would look and feel like, I can see it being difficult to tell the difference aside from the different scents.

Plus PERL would cost a whole lot more.

Funny D but I've never tried 303 on tires thinking it would sling and attract grime. But obviously, if it's knocked way down, I agree the result is quite nice if that look is your goal.

Another product I've never tried but man, it's hard to tell the difference between it and PERL in your photos. Even better news, a liter is ten bones cheaper than PERL so I'm gonna have to have a looksee, thanks for the heads up.

It too comes pretty darn close to PERL or OGTD and yet another I've never tried.
On trim, Perl must be diluted to allow it to spread properly and not impart an oil slick finish. In that regard, diluted Perl would be more economical per application than 303. Still, I prefer 303 on trim or interiors better than Perl.

As for 303 on tires, once it has dried, it will never sling or attract dust and grime, same as if used on trim and external plastics. I never use 303 on tires, I more so did on that occasion to see how it looked.

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Didn't take the time to label each product, they are Onyx, Perl, Adam's, and Sarah's tire with OG's dressing. Adam's is too glossy for my tastes but Onyx and PERL are pretty darn close to my current fave, OG. I think OG's product is easier to apply and I always like his spray bottles.
I'd stick with OG Tire Dressing, its incrementally better than Onyx from a longevity point of view, while also being a touch darker.
 
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..only shows up at just the right light and angle
Now, if we are talking beautiful flake, this is my favorite.
Copy Alex, I honestly didn't know there was flake in GB but it's extremely subtle as you said. A little goes a long way but in any case, even though I've never owned a blue vehicle, she looks mighty fine. :=)

Loved the film but DHG while having a ton of flake, has never been a color that flotes my bote.

In that regard, diluted Perl would be more economical per application than 303.
Forgot about the dilution in my calculation El Jefe <smile> but I knew you'd never use 303 on tires. <wink>

..but banana scented things smell better to me.
Funny you mention banana, Mark. I make a 1.5 liter smoothie every day and because my bod doesn't make quite enough Potassium these days, I take a horse pill and, add two frozen bananas to each smoothie along with protein powder and a variety of other frozen fruit.

The wife picked up four bunches the other day and I peeled half of them in preparation for freezing. You could sure smell the scent in the kitchen and my sidekick, Buddy, is always right there waiting for some banana ends. <smile>


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I use commercial wand wash and drench my car, except top and wiper blades, in prewash, engine, or tire cleaner on the PPF then rinse.

Works great!!
 

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It makes sense after hearing the explanations.
Totally agree MM and if Mother Nature will lower the oven temperature down here a bit, I look forward to having a looksee myself with dry foaming. Knowing my typical behavior, I will almost certainly continue to foam, rinse, foam again then hand wash. <smile> Except for the damn heat though, it's all therapeutic activity, right? <smiling>
 
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So..I'm out in the garage trying to lay some organization on the large shelf of chemicals and In the process, I found a gallon of Mattie Boy's Decon Soap. No idea when I picked it up but it's been awhile.

Therefive, I went searchin' for a reference tuit in your Big Black Book, <smile> and found perzactly what I needed from all the way back in 2017, long before I found this site. :=)

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Thanks for that, amigo.

Perused the vid in the writeup for Decon Soap and I noticed that he rinsed before applying it. So after the discussion on when to foam, wet or dry, I'm wondering if you agree with him, D?

Regarding his Decon Soap, how does it compare to Lift?

Then he sprayed his iron remover of choice and used the back (foam) side of one of these from NanoskinUSA to agitate. I hadn't heard of this company and I'm wondering if anyone here has used one of their rubber, clay bar replacement chingassos? I'm thinking about trying the 6" Fine pad, the hand strap, and the small, blue Fine foam applicator (above) before I polish the girl this Fall.

He rinsed after application but in your Ranger Decon writeup, you foamed with Decon Soap on top of the iron remover and let that dwell before rinsing. Because I'm partial to your level of obsessiveness, <warm smile> I'm gonna follow your lead when I "decon" Sarah here soon.

The problem here is the damn sun and I don't want to do this outside so I guess I'll have to move the other two out of the garage and duit under roof without soaking everything else in the garage. <BSEG>
 

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Ok, a LOT to unpack here.

Let's discuss my wet or dry foaming point of view -

- If I'm washing the Mustang, its never really dirty. I will rinse the car down, apply foam and contact wash. No point adding a steps when I'm not needing to soak down road film.

- If I'm washing a daily driver that's covered in road film, then yes, I will foam from dry and allow to soak, then rinse, then re-foam and contact wash.

So..I'm out in the garage trying to lay some organization on the large shelf of chemicals and In the process, I found a gallon of Mattie Boy's Decon Soap. No idea when I picked it up but it's been awhile.

Therefive, I went searchin' for a reference tuit in your Big Black Book, <smile> and found perzactly what I needed from all the way back in 2017, long before I found this site. :=)

Perused the vid in the writeup for Decon Soap and I noticed that he rinsed before applying it. So after the discussion on when to foam, wet or dry, I'm wondering if you agree with him, D?

Regarding his Decon Soap, how does it compare to Lift?
OG Decontamination Soap is lower in pH at 10.0 compared to 12.0 of Capro Lift, from a pure cleaning point of view Lift will do slightly more. But OG Decon Soap is slicker and foams thicker. Considering you are not trying to mow through a lot of dirt, the OG product will work just fine.

Then he sprayed his iron remover of choice and used the back (foam) side of one of these from NanoskinUSA to agitate. I hadn't heard of this company and I'm wondering if anyone here has used one of their rubber, clay bar replacement chingassos? I'm thinking about trying the 6" Fine pad, the hand strap, and the small, blue Fine foam applicator (above) before I polish the girl this Fall.
Matt has since replaced the Nanoskin stuff with the TRC Ultra Clay Scrubber. I have heard of the NanoSkin stuff delaminating, so I wouldn't spend my money on them. The TRC clay products are very good, I prefer the mitt over the towel, or the Ultra Clay Scrubber. I certainly prefer this style of clay product over a clay bar. Again, considering how pampered your car is, you won't need the ultimate grunt a clay bar would bring.

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He rinsed after application but in your Ranger Decon writeup, you foamed with Decon Soap on top of the iron remover and let that dwell before rinsing. Because I'm partial to your level of obsessiveness, <warm smile> I'm gonna follow your lead when I "decon" Sarah here soon.
I've arrived at that method after trying many different approaches. I did see mention of washing the car first before using an iron remover to allow it to react properly with the paint, which certainly has merit. Again, I come back to the idea we are washing and decontaminating VERY well-maintained cars, which sort of rules that method out.

From my perspective, I'm apply iron remover to dry paint to dilute it less and get a better reaction. You have to be careful here, especially if doing this job in summer as you really don't want it to dry. You can always do this in sections. But then foaming over the top of the iron remover after 5 minutes then extends the dwell period of the iron remover............even if it does dilute it.

From there, I rinse the car of the iron remover and decon soap. I then re-foam with a low pH soap (again, unnecessary on a car like this, so just use the decon soap again), then contact wash and then rinse. From here, anything still lingering on the paint and glass will be taken care of with the clay product. Clay while the car is still wet from the wash and before drying. If you think about it, you are only going to get it wet again with clay lube anyway, so eliminate a step by not drying the car twice.

This method I arrived at after seeing Sandro display it in several videos -





The problem here is the damn sun and I don't want to do this outside so I guess I'll have to move the other two out of the garage and duit under roof without soaking everything else in the garage. <BSEG>
Yeah, its a struggle sometimes. Once I did the Swisstrax, it allowed me to wash inside the garage without standing in puddles of water afterwards. The water then drains or evaporates away.

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You other option would be to wash early or late in the day, then park the car overnight before starting your other steps. Simply wipe the car down with Eraser or a rinse-less wash before polishing.
 
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Considering you are not trying to mow through a lot of dirt, the OG product will work just fine.
Thought so, copy all.

I have heard of the NanoSkin stuff delaminating, so I wouldn't spend my money on them.
Ordered an Ultra Clay Scrubber from TRC, thanks D.

considering how pampered your car is, you won't need the ultimate grunt a clay bar would bring.
Figured as much, thanks.

I'm apply iron remover to dry paint to dilute it less and get a better reaction.
Roger that, makes sense.

If you think about it, you are only going to get it wet again with clay lube anyway, so eliminate a step by not drying the car twice.
As we would say in Uncle Sam's Navy,

"Good gouge." <smile>

You other option would be to wash early or late in the day, then park the car overnight before starting your other steps.
Yep, that's what I usually do, early morning or very late afternoon and I get the car into the garage and out of the sun as quickly as possible
 

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Morning, folks.

I haven't had a chance to check in much the past week because the better half had to go up to San Antonio for major surgery, (a hysterectomy.) She's 71, BTW but an MRI showed a fairly large growth outside her female parts. The docs didn't think it was cancerous but she wanted it gone, yesterday.

Unfortunately, while the surgeon thought she could duit laparoscopically, when she got in there she realized the small incisions for the robotic "arms" weren't large enough so my poor wife got a big ol' incision. But the best news was, no cancer..YAYYYyyyy!

The surgery went well although it took six hours but she came through with flying colors. They didn't have a room for her when she got to Recovery and the doc told us that because of the more involved surgery, she would have to stay a couple days.

Without her having a private room, there wasn't much sense in me hanging around in SA just to get a hotel room so I drove home to take care of the pup.

But when the surgeon checked the incision yesterday, she told the wife that she could go home on Saturday so I'm driving back up there in a couple hours.

Meanwhile, her poor car which was already pretty dirty before we left, was covered in dead bugs and grime after the two round trips so, I gave her a bath yesterday and took the opportunity to use IronX and OG Decon Soap.

The first step was to give her a Lift soak and rinse. Then I thought I would try this Marolex sprayer with IronX I got quite some time ago but wasn't pleased with all the pumping. Therefive, I put the solution in the PF22 which was clearly the best method.



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Not the best quality foam and at least at first, I didn't see any telltale red foam but when I looked more closely, I saw slight hints of it so there was some on the car. It is barely visible in the photo. Part of the visibility problem is the color of the vehicle but there were definitely iron contaminants on the clear coat.


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Let it dwell a bit, rinsed her off, then did the wheels using the iK Foam Pro 12 for the first time. Air compressor is still on the fritz but I was able to run it long enough to put 30psi intuit before the damn thing started screaching on me again.

That was enough pressure to do two wheels so I had to manually pump it up to do the other two. I like the rig a lot mainly because I don't wind up throwing wheel chemicals on the paint which always happens when using the cannon.

I also liked it for charging the wheel brushes..much better than using the cannon which was completely wasteful.


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BTW D, this is what my four year old OG Woolie looks like. <smile> Wish it had that hemmed edge but, it still does the job.



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While on the subject of wheels, I thought I would show y'all how badly she has curbed both on the passenger side. The driver's side wheels are still near perfect and I figure it's a depth perception issue on her part. <smile>



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After finishing the wheels and tires, I fired up the cannon with OG Decon Soap. HS, talk about FOAM!



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Man, was I impressed! And because the day was mostly overcast, I was able to wash her completely without a single rinse.


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After the rinse, I noticed that there was zero beading on the back side of the hood and then I remembered having to get out the polisher when she came home one day and there were huge Seagull droppings all over it.

The front portion has PPF and there was no bird chidt on it so it didn't get polished. When I polished the hood, I didn't spend a great deal of time running it but obviously, even mild polishing will completely strip a ceramic coating.


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Rinsed, pulled her into the garage, and gave her a blow dry with the Master Blaster. <smile> LOVE that thing and highly-recommended. Pulled her back out on to the driveway and snapped a "finished" photo.


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Despite not getting the lovins that the Mustang gets, she still looks pretty darn good for a 2016.


BTW, these fellas showed up this week but, as usual, I forgot all about them and didn't try one on the Caddy. NBD, I'll give the product a looksee when I IronX the truck, hopefully soon as it needs a serious bath.



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Morning, folks.

I haven't had a chance to check in much the past week because the better half had to go up to San Antonio for major surgery, (a hysterectomy.) She's 71, BTW but an MRI showed a fairly large growth outside her female parts. The docs didn't think it was cancerous but she wanted it gone, yesterday.

Unfortunately, while the surgeon thought she could duit laparoscopically, when she got in there she realized the small incisions for the robotic "arms" weren't large enough so my poor wife got a big ol' incision. But the best news was, no cancer..YAYYYyyyy!

The surgery went well although it took six hours but she came through with flying colors. They didn't have a room for her when she got to Recovery and the doc told us that because of the more involved surgery, she would have to stay a couple days.

Without her having a private room, there wasn't much sense in me hanging around in SA just to get a hotel room so I drove home to take care of the pup.

But when the surgeon checked the incision yesterday, she told the wife that she could go home on Saturday so I'm driving back up there in a couple hours.

Meanwhile, her poor car which was already pretty dirty before we left, was covered in dead bugs and grime after the two round trips so, I gave her a bath yesterday and took the opportunity to use IronX and OG Decon Soap.

The first step was to give her a Lift soak and rinse. Then I thought I would try this Marolex sprayer with IronX I got quite some time ago but wasn't pleased with all the pumping. Therefive, I put the solution in the PF22 which was clearly the best method.



marolex-pump-sprayer_240823.jpg


Not the best quality foam and at least at first, I didn't see any telltale red foam but when I looked more closely, I saw slight hints of it so there was some on the car. It is barely visible in the photo. Part of the visibility problem is the color of the vehicle but there were definitely iron contaminants on the clear coat.


caddy-wash-ironx-closeup_240823.jpg


Let it dwell a bit, rinsed her off, then did the wheels using the iK Foam Pro 12 for the first time. Air compressor is still on the fritz but I was able to run it long enough to put 30psi intuit before the damn thing started screaching on me again.

That was enough pressure to do two wheels so I had to manually pump it up to do the other two. I like the rig a lot mainly because I don't wind up throwing wheel chemicals on the paint which always happens when using the cannon.

I also liked it for charging the wheel brushes..much better than using the cannon which was completely wasteful.


ik-foam-pro-12_charging-tire-brush_240823.jpg



BTW D, this is what my four year old OG Woolie looks like. <smile> Wish it had that hemmed edge but, it still does the job.



og-woolie_240823.jpg


While on the subject of wheels, I thought I would show y'all how badly she has curbed both on the passenger side. The driver's side wheels are still near perfect and I figure it's a depth perception issue on her part. <smile>



caddy-curbed-wheel_240823.jpg


After finishing the wheels and tires, I fired up the cannon with OG Decon Soap. HS, talk about FOAM!



caddy-wash-og-decon-soap_240823_02.jpg


Man, was I impressed! And because the day was mostly overcast, I was able to wash her completely without a single rinse.


caddy-wash-og-decon-soap_01.jpg



caddy-wash-og-decon-soap_240823_03.jpg


After the rinse, I noticed that there was zero beading on the back side of the hood and then I remembered having to get out the polisher when she came home one day and there were huge Seagull droppings all over it.

The front portion has PPF and there was no bird chidt on it so it didn't get polished. When I polished the hood, I didn't spend a great deal of time running it but obviously, even mild polishing will completely strip a ceramic coating.


caddy-wash-hood-no-ceramic-area-after-polishing.jpg


Rinsed, pulled her into the garage, and gave her a blow dry with the Master Blaster. <smile> LOVE that thing and highly-recommended. Pulled her back out on to the driveway and snapped a "finished" photo.


caddy-wash-finished_240823.jpg

Despite not getting the lovins that the Mustang gets, she still looks pretty darn good for a 2016.


BTW, these fellas showed up this week but, as usual, I forgot all about them and didn't try one on the Caddy. NBD, I'll give the product a looksee when I IronX the truck, hopefully soon as it needs a serious bath.



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Caddy looks great KB! But most importantly, glad the surgery went well for your wife and no cancer! Wishing her a speedy recovery.
 

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Good to hear on the successful surgery :) and the Caddy looks great.. You will love the clay scrubbers. I have 2 and the towel as well, best clay product on the market...
 
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Good to hear on the successful surgery
Wishing her a speedy recovery.
First and foremost very happy to hear that your wife is going to be alright.
Thanks guys, I do appreciate it. As of 1500 CDT we are back at the casa after an almost enjoyable drive, ONCE WE WERE OUT OF SAN ANTONIO, that is. GD! that city has become another Houston when it comes to complicated highways, crazy drivers, and lousy roads. I gotta get out more I guess. <smile>

But I definitely learned a valuable piece of advice which is..

Don't EVER take the Mustang to SA..ever! <laughing> We're "velocitized flatlanders" down here and the HILLS up there are insane. Tons of super deep gulleys to traverse that spiked up so steeply I thought that even the Caddy's front end would scrape but got lucky.

Anyway..

Caddy looks great KB!
..and the Caddy looks great
Thanks for that too, fellas but..

But man up. You went home to detail the car, not take car of the pup!
..the honest truth Ira is that I did come home for Buddy and it wasn't until I unpacked the car that I noticed how filthy it was. Once that thought was in my brain, it was all over. Were their tasks I could/should have done instead that would have been more useful? Heck yeah, the list is long but I'm pretty darn sure that everyone reading this knows that it's very difficult to walk away from a dirty vehicle when you have the time and required gear to "fix it." <BSEG>
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