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A coal plant with pollution controls and scrubbers wont make it immune to catastrophic failure.
 
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A coal plant with pollution controls and scrubbers wont make it immune to catastrophic failure.
These windmills are killing birds and the blades break pretty often. They also need to be replaced every 20 years or so. Landfill nightmare because they are not bio-degradable or recyclable. Also they are eyesores. Where my Son lives in Indiana there are a bazillion of these.
 

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These windmills are killing birds and the blades break pretty often. They also need to be replaced every 20 years or so. Landfill nightmare because they are not bio-degradable or recyclable. Also they are eyesores. Where my Son lives in Indiana there are a bazillion of these.
Yes I don't like those things either. But like the coal industry it won't stay static. Engineering and development will probably evolve over time. Simply because It has too if wind wants to stay relevant.
 
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But like the coal industry it won't stay static
IDK, 25 years ago all the mountain tops in California were covered in windmills. Most were tethered. I don't see any changes today. Wind is a nice dream, like solar. I'd rather use the land for growing food than creating energy. Same with corn, grow it for food not fuel.

Offshore I thought was a good use for wind, but if one blade breaking causes this amount of damage, I say stop it right now.
 

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IDK, 25 years ago all the mountain tops in California were covered in windmills. Most were tethered. I don't see any changes today. Wind is a nice dream, like solar. I'd rather use the land for growing food than creating energy. Same with corn, grow it for food not fuel.

Offshore I thought was a good use for wind, but if one blade breaking causes this amount of damage, I say stop it right now.
I figured you might say that( I don't mean that to sound snarky). In fact i was gonna address it preemptively lol. Yes its true, turbines today are still very similar to the ones 25 years ago. But the political push, and money going into these types of things is nothing like before in terms of funding, and political push.

Will it make a difference? I don't know. But allot of people have a lot of money riding on it 😄
My money is on a balance of everything 🤣
 
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But the political push, and money going into these types of things is nothing like before in terms of funding, and political push.
Because some politicians want it does not make it right.

One broken blade caused many beaches to be closed. Unknown how much marine life was destroyed?

This is not defendable.

Get rid of the offshore windmills. I also say get rid of the windmills in areas that they are killing birds.

When was the last time you heard of any conventional power plant causing major disruptions in quality of life?
 

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Because some politicians want it does not make it right.

One broken blade caused many beaches to be closed. Unknown how much marine life was destroyed?

This is not defendable.

Get rid of the offshore windmills. I also say get rid of the windmills in areas that they are killing birds.

When was the last time you heard of any conventional power plant causing major disruptions in quality of life?
Look into coal mining disasters... pushing the harm further up the supply chain doesn't make it any better, similar to how EVs charging from "dirty" power don't save the world at all.
 

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Not having any of these windmills (yet) in our area (and probably a stupid question) but exactly how do these power anything? Are there huge long electrical cables coming into the shore lines and electrical distribution occurs there?
 

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So I know many of our PA residents know about this(it's actually surprising how few people know of this outside of PA, VA, WV) shutting down a beach temporarily seems almost trivial in comparison. This fire is still going on today.

https://www.history.com/news/mine-fire-burning-more-50-years-ghost-town

I'm not Mr Green energy by any means, and since I'm no scientist I generally steer clear of the debate on anything other than a superficial level. But I do like watching industry and engineering "advance" and if we can do better for the environment along the way without creating new problems, be that economically or other. I have no issues with green energy trying to develop and become viable.

Show me a sector that didn't have problems before it became viable and accepted and I'll show you a unicorn ridden by a leprechaun jockey 😄
 

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The point is ONE yes ONE broken blade caused many beaches to be closed, and an unknown destruction of marine life.


Yes power plants can have accidents.
 

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But this is better than a coal plant with scrubbers and other pollution controls? (sarcasm)
This part would make it appear the point youre trying to make wasn't simply limited to a singular event.
 

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These windmills are killing birds and the blades break pretty often. They also need to be replaced every 20 years or so. Landfill nightmare because they are not bio-degradable or recyclable. Also they are eyesores. Where my Son lives in Indiana there are a bazillion of these.
Once people cared about our beautiful land, now their cluttering them up with wind mills, solar panels etc, which remove all beauty from our land and fields, just etc, not just the hazards they present.
 

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Will it make a difference? I don't know. But allot of people have a lot of money riding on it
Hello; That money is other people's money if my take is correct. It is not private investors spending their own money. It is taxpayers' monies in most all cases. let me be clearer. It is borrowed monies which add to the national debt.

To go with the gist of this thread there is a carbon debt from the construction of each wind turbine. Someone listed all the materials and the carbon emissions from building and instillation in a thread some time back. So upfront before the first turning of a turbine blade there is a large, perhaps huge, amount of Co2 emitted. The question then becomes how long each wind turbine has to operate to off set that initial carbon debt in terms of clean energy? How much of the average 20 year operational life is used before the turbine is clean? That sort of thing can be quantified.
 
 








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